Bye.bye, Red Ensign on the Queens.

[Captain Kong]

Thanks for that Ivan, I too am a big softy and sentimentalist. With dreams of little england becoming Great Britain again. I know it can never happen but I can dream on. No charge for dreams.
It is all part of the New World Order.

Cheers
Brian.

[Jim Dunster]

As an asside are we currently on cue-nard or coo-nard as Oz ads are now want to call them.
regards
Jim

[happy daze john in oz]

Thanks for that Ivan,.
It is all part of the New World Order.

Cheers
Brian.

Brian, we all have our dreams and memories of times past. Times that for us were great, but sadly the world is changing and not always for the best. The new generations do not have the same values we had in our youth. I doubt many will experience the comradeship we knew or see some of the sites we did. For many the flag, be it national or other, will not hold the same meaning as it does for us. In the part of the third world where you currently live, Bolton, do they have any allligence to the Union Flag, or do they still prefer the falg of the country thay came from?

[Arthur John Harvey]

R235941 Good bye Red Ensign- The Queens have deserted you; I wonder what Commodore Sir Edgar Britten would had thought;I read somewhere that the reason was the missing out on cruise ships marriages; what a cover story.PO Ferries in Hull have announced they will flag out their ships Pride of Hull and Pride of York operating from Hull to the continent but they admit it is to save money on crews wages should the present government bring in new labour laws.Wonder if the rest of the PO ships will change flag; both these companies would in an emergency expect the Royal NAVY to protect their ships but I am not sure what would be available when the present government finishes their cut down programme.Gone are the days when the Red ENSIGN was respected and we were proud to sail under such flag.

[Ivan Cloherty]

R235941 Good bye Red Ensign- the days when the Red ENSIGN was respected and we were proud to sail under such flag.

Arthur

See post 51 on this heading. John Prescott has not replied yet, neither has Prince Charles, but I'll give them another week before sending off a reminder.

[DeepSea]

Two P&O ferries to follow suit

BBC News - P&O Ferries to re-register liners to save money

[Ivan Cloherty]

Herewith Verbatim a letter received today 18.11.2001 from John Prescott

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The Office of the Rt Hon Lord Prescott
House of Lords
London SW1A 0PW 11th November 2011


Ivan Cloherty
Jasmine Cottage
9 Lisburne Square
Torquay TQ1 2PT


Dear Mr Cloherty

Thank you for your letter about the re-flagging of Cunard and P & O.

I was the one that encouraged the Cunard to bring the Queens back to this country and to register them under the British flag in which the British fleet went from 2m tons to today's 80m tons. I was not aware of the transfer of the Queens to the Bermuda flag. Quite contrary to the promises made of bringing them back to the British flag for certain advantages under the tonnage tax. I don't believe the reasons given and I am now entering into discussions with Cunard shipping which involves P & O ships as well.

Since they now admit that it will still be the Royal Navy expected to protect these ships if attacked by pirates and since we have a responsibility for defence and foreign policy for the British dependency of Bermuda, a flag of convenience country, no doubt it will be our Royal Navy and forces expected to protect citizens on the Queens and not a Bermudian aircraft carrier!

I will continue to fight about this as I have all my life in Parliament.

Yours sincerely

John Prescott

Rt Hon Lord Prescott
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There it is word for word, typed as received including apostrophes and capitals so we know it is genuine. But that aside he is fighting our corner and he has had the courtesy to reply for which I sincerely thank him.

[Ray McCerery]

Herewith Verbatim a letter received today 18.11.2001 from John Prescott

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There it is word for word, typed as received including apostrophes and capitals so we know it is genuine. But that aside he is fighting our corner and he has had the courtesy to reply for which I sincerely thank him.

If you can believe in him, well the moon must be made of cheese, biggest ar***hole to the British MN. Full Stop.

Ray

[Captain Kong]

Hi Ivan,
thanks for all your efforts in this. Lets hope he has a go and keeps you informed.
Cheers
Brian

[Chris Allman]

Thanks Ivan, I echo Brian's thoughts on this.

Chris