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9th June 2020, 10:21 PM
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Hi Keith,
Thankyou for this, to paraphrase they say that every picture tells a thousand words, a Japanese philosopher, but not in this case, The 1837 Slave Compensation Act paid the slave owners 20 million pounds in compensation to free their slaves, the slaves got bugger all. The slave owners had been very very naughty, but never mind here is a shed load of money, one supposes the 'freed' slaves could then hop on a ship to go back home, I wonder where I have heard that last sentiment?
Of course being newly freed they would be looking for employment and somewhere to live, hello, there is a job here cutting sugar cane and a hovel to live in; and of course they did, they had little option, but at least they were paid a few pence! Compensation only went one way.
So what could the plantation owners do, because many slaves did move from the cane fields? They then employed 'indentured servants' from India to do the job, paid pitiful wages and unable complain because of their indentures they became the new slaves, unaware that they owed money for their journey out and their keep, they would never be able to return home. This practice started in 1838 and continued until 1917, have you ever wondered why there are so many Indian names in the West Indies? Look at some of their greatest cricketers, Kallicharran for example.
I believe the USA did a similar thing to the Chinese in the mid 19th. century, indentured servants who became stuck there. What a wheeze, it makes one feel proud for the resourcefulness of those plantation owners (sic).
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9th June 2020, 10:51 PM
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Personally, never had a problem.
There are good and bad in every race.
Long before the term for ethnic diversity had
even been coined, Butetown in Cardiff was
home to communities from all corners of the
globe, Cardiff, in South Wales, is the capital
city of Wales. It is a compact, vibrant and a
multicultural city.
the human story of those drawn to the port
from all over the world and the way they
redefined what it is to be Welsh by bringing
diversity to a small nation is part of our history.
Multicultural Britain has been around for thousands
of years and is what it is today.
Much of now is steeped in history, from earlier earliest
times as an island, it has been transformed by an
association with the sea. Invaders, maritime trade,
sailors, war the list is endless. The result multicultural
Britain as we know it.
K.
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9th June 2020, 11:46 PM
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With all the talk for and against so called called racial diversity and one side pulling down statues which in the first place were put there to honour our own history. Who says these people have the right to displace and damage the integrity of a country that a lot of them ran to as were too cowardly to stand and be counted in their own. Times change and not always for the better. 50 years ago homosexuality was a sin and a crime which didn’t suit some so they decided to change and the rest of us had to go along with it. By the sheer wanton destruction that has been displayed to the more peaceful general public should be a sure sign , that those who choose to do so, should with immediate effect be returned whence they came , they are no benefit to the country they insist they belong to. The first requirement for any immigrant is loyalty to their adopted country and not treasonable acts and having no regard for its customs and laws. Enough is enough and they should start to pay For their actions sooner than later. A large percentage of them are just rabble in any case. No use to man or beast. JS
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10th June 2020, 12:03 AM
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A few maybe trouble, many of the people you term as them
here are British citizens and home is here.
A few caused trouble but, tarring all with the same brush is not
something that is welcomed anymore.
Actual offenders should feel the full weight of the law, whatever
the background of the offender.
K.
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10th June 2020, 12:15 AM
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That’s exactly as what I said Keith no matter what interpretation you put on it, if you decide to run with the hounds
Then must be made to learn that their actions of whatever nature are covered by the law , and not their own individual law. Like the poor old seamen incarcerated overnight in a BA Gaol , and made to sweep the streets clean in the morning. They weren’t responsible for but proved a cheap form of cleanliness for the city. JS
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10th June 2020, 12:42 AM
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#57.. Brian if colour was not an issue with the present problem I would imagine the death cause would be termed whilst resisting arrest, The technique of quelling a prisoner by holding a knee over the throat is more than likely police procedure, especially during the present contact laws. The other Police officers in attendance seem to be keeping their distance. Whatever if any prejudices the police officer being held to account is up to the courts to decide, but as he has already been elected a murderer by intent by those who want it so, his trial should not take too long. JS
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10th June 2020, 02:35 AM
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#72 That was tried and they call the place Liberia. Nobody apparently wanted to go. JS
If it’s not post 72 then it is some other about returning them to Africa a long time ago jS.
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10th June 2020, 06:02 AM
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When I was Harbourmaster/Pilot in Wyndham north WA, I became quite friendley with one of the local elders. One evening stopped by a new takaway caravan with family and a couple of young braves were giving thiselder the round of the tables and so I took my family home. When next I had a beer with him I asked him what was going on. His reply was that all those white do gooders were telling the young people they had rights etc, so the aboriginal elders had lost control. Bloody digusting
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10th June 2020, 06:03 AM
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john back in the day we sent prisoners to Australia their crime could be pinching an apple just to populate the country? we could say that every country has not got clean hands even up to today slave markets are still going today its not just a black thing? just a though.. jp
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10th June 2020, 07:00 AM
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At some point in time most countries had a slave population of some sort, that does not make it right but it is a fact of history which no matter how hard you try cannot be changed.
What occurred in the demise of this man is unforgiveable, yes he had a very long history of crime over about a 15 year period with many time inside. But no matter that he did not deserve to die in the manner he did.
Here in Oz we are the most multicultural society in the world, having citizens from over 190 countries.
The greater majority have assimilated well into the way of Oz, but there are a few, many born here, of non white parents who can cause very severe problems if allowed.
They carry a chip on their shoulder the size of Ayers rock, in a similar manner to the few Aboriginals who still claim the country was stole from them.
Sad thing about that is the fact they get the date wrong, the first fleet did not arrive on January 26th, that is of another story which I will tell you about later, I do not need any other member to enter into that one thank you.
In time George will be forgotten, the police will, continue to do their job at time sunder the harshest of conditions, doing so they make the place safe for honest people.
As to a police state, well here in Victoria we are close to it, our premier acts more like a South American dictator than a western politician.
It is not what he does, rather the manner in which and the lies he tells to get his point across, surrounded by yes men in the police and medical fields.


Happy daze John in Oz.
Life is too short to blend in.
John Strange R737787
World Traveller

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