fishing rights

[Keith at Tregenna]

now lewis you know that the one the left is you... the one in the middle with the stupid grin is k from t ...ant the turd one is k from t in disguise ...lol cappy

This complete r's just cannot help himself. He is a like a virus infecting near all threads even if whom he threatens has not been involved.

Sad Monkey Hanger.

K.

[Ivan Cloherty]

#44 Rodney, not locked in a time warp, just answering questions, certainly no hate involved, as have German friends but they are ex navy, so a common bond. Just because things are history doesn't mean to say they cannot be talked about, and we lived and are still living the history, which some on here who are critical of us oldies have not, so we have a right to talk about our experiences and in fact are encouraged to do so by some schools to do so to their pupils.

So don't read anything personal into the posts which may or may not affect your personal situation directly or indirectly. Rgds

[John F Collier]

Here we go again! A good thread, a few really good informative posts (to me) and slanging. I must admit one slang with the picture of the Moe, Larry and Curly...not the picture itself, but the repartee between accused and accuser gave me a bloody good belly laugh.

But I have to say I feel a little sorry for y'all who are locked in a time-warp. I was bombed out along with my mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle. A traumatic experience for me was being shipped along with my young sister from family to strangers in Yorkshire for nearly four years at the age of four then returned at almost eight to another bunch of strangers in 1945. I stuttered for a number of years (it was assumed from the bombing and the evacuation).

Sorry guys but that's history. My honorary German Son and family have just spent a wonderful week with us and have sadly left for Dresden. Their father and mother also friends of our were a little bit younger than me during that terrible war. Their parents though dead and just ordinary folk who lived in a village outside of Dresden....yeah...maybe there's a case for hate to that generation, but to hate people just because? Sorry not for me. I don't live in the past.

I looked down my wife's email address book. I have cousins and a brother and family in England, friends in France, Germany, Australia, family and friends in Canada, and our former neighbors who lived next door now back in their home country of Japan.

New neighbors moved in three doors down the road. They are from India, he is a scientist for a high tech company and they seem very nice friendly people. They stopped by and introduced themselves. I don't care what nationality lives next door to me so long as they pay their own way and can afford it. I am so happy living in a "mongrel country". (Our national motto is "From many one")

I love this site, I have good memories of the sea, four and a three quarters years was enough for me, but I do like to reminisce and enjoy the B.S.. But I feel sorry for any trapped in 1939-45 and reminiscing about those wonderful evenings Morris dancing, around the Maypole on the lovely English village green...wasn't too much of that in Walthamstow or Southend.

I thought this site was called British Merchant Navy Old Friends Plus? What seems to be happening to the plus? I thought it meant Ex Brit seamen and WOMEN, and the friends could be anybody else who connected with us by a common link of the sea and ships etc. even those enjoying making ships in a bottle or carving walrus tusks and it mattered not a whit where one lived or what navy you were in, male or female, French, Indian, doesn't matter, just enjoy things maritime.

Rodney, he with the rose tinted glasses on...as my brother said "...and there's nothing wrong with that bro...just don't take them off."

Hi Rodney, I have some childhood similarities with yourself, I was born and raised in Wood Green almost next door to Walthamstow, as you will know, and like you I was bombed, rehoused and evacuated , I didn't develop a stutter but I am
completely deaf because of the bombing, and since 1962 I've lived a short ride from Southend, I know your childhood areas
very well indeed, I'm a bit younger than you and was born 6 months before the war began, as you can see my early childhood
was all during the war years, I was 6.5 years old when the war ended. I do not consider myself to be locked in a time warp because I like to reminisce, I like to remember people I knew, friends that I grew up with, some who are no longer alive, I
can't see anything wrong in that, in fact I think it is quite natural because it's all part of your life and your formative years
when your most important lessons in life are being learned, so please don't feel sorry for me Rodney as I value my childhood.
Cheers JF

[j.sabourn]

That's why sailors got the bad reputations of being bigger than normal drinkers Marian. With all the time they spent staring into the wind and spray and the unavoidable habit of licking your lips there was always the dry feeling of salt on ones tongue. Ships water was always brackish so the only remedy was copious amounts of ale or sometimes one had to suffer and drink other alcoholic beverages to kill the bacteria. It was a hard life at times and people have no right to call seafarers drunks. It was a side effect of the profession which one had to learn at an early age. Cheers JWS.

[j.sabourn]

Rodney ref. Your mention of stuttering if I didn't answer that statement before I will now. I had the same drawback until I was about 13. Wherther was the same cause or not dont really know. Received no treatment for and had to fight it oneself. Today would go to speech therapists and all sorts of therapudic remedies. I have sailed with 30 year olds who still have the problem,and while most think it is funny, I always feel sorry for such and gone out of my way to assist them. It is one of the worst things one can afflict on a young person. I know been there and done that. Still don't like public speaking and have to really steel myself when have to. Cheers JWS PS Would never had made a politician. JS

[Ivan Cloherty]

That's why sailors got the bad reputations of being bigger than normal drinkers Marian. With all the time they spent staring into the wind and spray and the unavoidable habit of licking your lips there was always the dry feeling of salt on ones tongue. Ships water was always brackish so the only remedy was copious amounts of ale or sometimes one had to suffer and drink other alcoholic beverages to kill the bacteria. It was a hard life at times and people have no right to call seafarers drunks. It was a side effect of the profession which one had to learn at an early age. Cheers JWS.

Saw very few drunks whilst actually at sea sailing on the briny, once that gangway was inboard and ropes cast off you were on a different island and just got on with the job. Men drank ashore for all sorts of reasons which may seem trivial in today's world of instant communication by voice, text and skype. We relied on the written word even more on tramp ships than those on a liner trade, on trampers that all important letter could be following you around for three months or more and in some instances never catch up, and the lack of that letter which may have contained important news about a relationship/love/birth/ death etc caused people to imagine all sorts of things and build mountains out of molehills, where even a molehill didn't even exist and everything back home was on an even keel, but you had no way of knowing or finding out except by snail mail, even airmail was snail mail when it missed the ship. That imagined mountain sent many virtually teetotal men ashore for a bit of solace in drink, men who never touched the stuff at sea, or when they received a letter, I have seen strong men blanch when upon arrival in port or the pilot boarding when there has been no mail for them. Most seamen I sailed with were of sober habits generally and some liked a drink, and became drunk on occasions, but on the whole were harmless drunks and not prone to going out to 'get drunk'. In our day when we had around 150 -180,000 seamen manning British flagged ships the number of drunks by comparison was infantissimal, but having lived in a port city and cases were reported in the local daily Press it would seem to the casual reader that all seamen were drunks but nothing could be further from the truth.

[Keith Tindell]

Your post Ivan bought home to me the importance we had on our mail, and as you rightly say that horrible feeling when one of the guys came into the newsroom, dished out the mail, and you would be like a dog waiting for his biscuit, and then the realisation that there was none for you. It must be a doddle today, sat phones email, even washing machines and driers, long gone the old dhoti galvanised bucket, kt

[j.sabourn]

Ivan mine wasnt a serious post mate. Just my sense of humour in trying to extract the urine from the unbelievers and philistines. Agree with what you say however. On first going to sea they were all dry ships in any case, later they brought out the bars on ships, and still later took the bars off and put on breathalisers instead, so went the full circle. We started with nothing and finished with nothing and that included the ships and the whole British mercantile marine, was going the same way with the whole country and if wasn't for a few British hearts of oak to tell the country the true political situation, would have deteriorated into a flunkey of Europe, and may still do if people choose to take the easy way out. Did the round trip to Kalgoorlie last Friday and got back yesterday over a 1000 miles, pleased I wasn't driving. Cheers JWS

[John Arton]

The fishing rights being revoked are called "The London Convention" and it was signed before the U.K. joined the E.U. if I read it correctly. It was signed in 1964? and allowed fishing vessels from 5 countries to fish within 6 miles of the U.K. coast line. Upon leaving the E.U. and its Common Fisheries Policy the U.K. will regain control of Fishing for a distance of up to 200 miles off our coast line or up to either the median line (English Channel) or to where the border between the U.k. and another country lies.
Revoking the London Convention is the first stage in regain control over our waters and will mean that WE control fish management and stock levels, not some Brussels Eurocrates . It will also allow us to ban foreign fishing vessels from fishing in our waters which happens at present. Anyone who has done a voyage down the Chanel and up the St. Georges Chanel to, say Liverpool, would realise that virtually every fishing boat you encountered was either Belgium, French or Spanish registered.
https://secondreading.uk/brexit/brex...ishing-rights/
rgds
JA

[Lewis McColl]

Back to drinking on board ships, let's face it Gin & Tonic was purely for to ward off malaria and scurvy as you always had a big slice of lemon or lime in it and every seaman worth his salt knew that Vitamin C helped prevent scurvy. I still carry on the prevention measures to this very day.