This article will make your blood boil

[Brian Probetts (Site Admin)]

The attached is a reply to Ivan Cloherty from Rear Admiral Sir Jeremy de Halpert KCVO CB

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[Chris Allman]

Well, what does everyone make of that. No reference whatsoever to Moving Venue and the proposed Christmas parties. All would appear to have been neatly side stepped by omission.The reply mirrors exactly the reply to my E mail in every way except for the actions of Trinity House with regard to fund raising and what they have done with the funds.

As a result of those omissions my suspicions are definitely aroused as to why no mention of the Christmas parties has been made nor any denial of involvement, which was alleged in public by both the Mayor of Tower Hamlets and Moving Venue.

I am sorry but I don't accept the reply, it may be just me, but I feel that the whole crux of Ivan's letter, the Christmas parties and future use of Trinity Gardens has been omitted from the reply for reasons best known to Rear Admiral Halpert. I must admit also that the last sentence " I would add that Trinity House is not the custodian or guardian of Trinity Square Gardens." is rather ominous. Does this mean that the matter is still ongoing ?. The fact that Moving Venue have not removed theirs ads and the remark of their spokesperson that the venue may open next year, puts a further suspicion in my mind that we have not heard the last of this.

All in all a very disappointing reply which I don't think is worthy of Trinity House and which I think, could be some kind of put off.

Chris.

[Tony Morcom]

Sounds like a slap down to me. The whole tone of the letter is a bit high and mighty.

[Keith at Tregenna]

Richard Beggs, the managing director of Moving Venue, which had invited bankers to booze by maritime war memorials, is now asking us to sympathise with his clients because they now have to find another venue at short notice.

Here’s his statement - LINK: https://trialbyjeory.wordpress.com/2...ers-party-axe/

K,

[Ivan Cloherty]

Sounds like a slap down to me. The whole tone of the letter is a bit high and mighty.

Tony

I thought it was a very condescending letter, also very patronising and insulting in tone to say that we (the site) probably have funding from Trinity House, which I know Brian does not, but finances this site from his own pocket and what little we are occasionaly able to send him. Apoint I shall be making to "Sir Jeremy"in my reply with Brian's concurrence (already received).

As noted there is no mention of the Xmas event and it should also be noted that "Sir Jeremy" was the instigator of the objections which led the site to receive all the letters and condescendly thanks us for our support. Apart from acres of gold braid this man has a very brass neck, as they say in Yorkshire.

As the letter is addressed to me then I shall be answering it, but you all have the address and should anyone want to write to "Sir Jeremy" seperately then please feel free to do so.

My letter will be "polite" but to the point.

I think that possible "Rear Admiral" Sir Jeremy was never in touch with the common seaman, and if he was, then he has forgotten that the most lowly on board whoever they may be contribute to the smooth running of any vessel. I suspect that his actual shipboard service was very short, but I may be doing him a mis-service as I have not researched his past.

No doubt tye experts amongst us could!

Regards Ivan

[Captain Kong]

He appeares to be passing the buck to his "events team" who also wanted to organise another event on the site for the Olympics.
If he is supposed to be some kind of Admiral, then he should act admirably.
He is obviously not Merchant Navy minded but I notice that his "events team" do not organise an event on a Royal Navy Memorial site.
The next Deputy Master is, Captain Ian McNaught (Deputy Master Desig)
He was the Master of QE2, and should be more sympathetic to Merchant Navy causes.

Cheers,
Brian.

[Chris Allman]

Tony

I think that possible "Rear Admiral" Sir Jeremy was never in touch with the common seaman, and if he was, then he has forgotten that the most lowly on board whoever they may be contribute to the smooth running of any vessel. I suspect that his actual shipboard service was very short, but I may be doing him a mis-service as I have not researched his past.

No doubt tye experts amongst us could!

Regards Ivan

His CV so as to speak is HERE Dont think he had much to do with the lower deck except at defaulters.

Chris

[Keith at Tregenna]

Trial by Jeory

Watching the world of east London politics

https://trialbyjeory.wordpress.com/2...ers-party-axe/

Qoute: "The role of Trinity House in this is just getting odder. Seems Sir Jeremy was out of the loop while the commercial manager, Edgar King, of the Trinity House venue (book now through LBTH’s ‘London Eastside’ organisation), was the one in meetings with those same “extremely supportive” LBTH council officers and for even longer at “8 months”? Moving Venues only launched the party tent venue at Trinity House, in September!":

K.

[Roger Dyer]

Hard to Port......... commence laying smoke No.1 ..............that should fix the bu---rs what?

In a previous post on this thread I suggested that Trinity House may have acted with duplicity, after reading Sir Jeremy's letter I am now convinced of it. What unadulterated arrogance to even think that his letter would suffice to address the concerns raised by Ivan on our behalf. I know nothing of the Rear Admiral's history but I am, however, dismayed by the thought that the Deputy Master of Trinity House may lack the heart and sense of comradeship inherent in most seamen. I am in total agreement with the comments of others with regard to the Admiral's letter. It is surely deserving of a polite yet strongly worded reply as suggested by Ivan. Perhaps, the reply should also make it clear to Sir Jeremy that we are not going to go away on this one quite as easily as he might wish. It seems that trying to elicit a straight answer from Trinity House is like drawing teeth.

I note with interest the admission by Sir Jeremy that Trinity House do not have custody or guardianship of Trinity Gardens. If that's the case, it makes me wonder what (or who) on earth gave them the idea that the site could be utilised with a view to raising additional funding for their corporation (be it for noble purposes or otherwise)?

Perhaps, we should now try to confirm the identity of the controlling authority of the Memorial and gardens. By so doing we may then further our quest to seek official acknowledgement that the Memorial and immediate surrounds are sacrosanct to the memory of our late brothers and sisters.

.........................Roger

[Keith at Tregenna]

The MN and friends have achieved the cancellation of these events, much continues as to who on earth was behind this crazed thought.

The Caterers, Council and even Trinity House have PR teams working on damage limitation: we still attempt to get to the bottom of all,

But, consensus appears not to upset apple carts, but to ensure this never is considered again.

The world took this on board and won: Individuals from many countries, Bodies, Groups, Companies, Unions and Forums and the relatives of those still not home from the sea etc

I will mention in all dispatches the concerns from both Ireland and indeed Kinsale.

Have received much support from as far afield as the Greenway relatives in Mooroopna, Australia, descended from James Greenway, a fisherman of Kinsale, In memory of his sons Thomas and James and Grand son James Joseph, The latter being sister to Mary Theresa now deceased, that moved to Barry to be near her brother, who was sadly lost in a ship related accident in 1938.

Mary Theresa on marriage to a Barry man, emigrated to Australia, where now we are in contact with rellies.

All in all, no one will dance on the virtual graves of our MN Men at Tower Hill.

But, it is important that this is stopped not just for now, but forever.

K.