When is a job not a job ?

[Louis the Amigo]

Hi shipmates, has any one on our site been on a zero hours contract? I have !!! its great when you have the work ,you pay your bills and can afford to buy your family food, but when your hours are cut its hell, you cant tell your creditors to wait for the up turn in your job? that is went you go to the pay day loan companys, and get into serious debt ,this is happening to thousands of people every day a endless round of feast and famine a third world way of life no job means NO pay today, no benifits, unless you are NOT local, The job centre staff are not on your side, and every one stopped claiming is a bonus for them, A friend of my son was late for signing 10 mins and had his money stopped for two months? he is homeless at the moment this is normal NO excuse is good enough today.

[Jim Brady]

Tonight BBC1 9.00pm: The Last Miners.Two part look at the miners of KellingleyColliery in North Yorkshire,which faces closure.Could be worth a look at.
Regards.
Jim.B.

[Captain Kong]

Making employees Self Employed started when Labour`s Fony Bliar was Prime Minister, at the time when he was taking Cash for Peerages, what a wonderful Labour Government he was head of.
Esso made all their Tanker Lorry Drivers Self Employed in 1998 and all the Men on the oil Jetty at their headquarters in Fawley Refinery Self Employed, BP did the same. also many other Companies. They also flagged out their ships to foreign flags and Seafarers. losing thousand of British Seamen's jobs.
It saved them paying pensions, holiday pay, sickness pay etc. So it was under a LABOUR Government that started that trend. It is not a new idea as put about by Corbyn. So let us all have the Truth, All parties knew all about it.
People are whinging about this government on several issues that happened years ago and LABOUR Have had 13 Years in Government under Bliar and Brown and Not one issue was gone into and solved. such as the South Yorkshire Police actions at Hillsborough and Orgreave. WHY!! when for 13 years nothing was done. ???? and people still want to vote for corrupt politicians like that. They deserve everything they get off them.
Yesterday Bliar accused Corbyn of being a "Nutter", and he is coming back into politics again.
Will our Nightmares never end???

Also I will never ever vote Labour, Gordon Brown took over and then sold Bradford and Bingley Building Society to a Spanish Company, SANTANDER. I lost over £3,000 invested for my old age. How much Commission did he get for that deal I wonder.
Corbyn whinged about Grammar Schools, He went to Grammar School , why is he denying children the right to get to a Grammar School when he, who was born to wealthy parents in a Seven bedroom Mansion had the benefit of wealth and education. a lot of his MPs also had Grammar School Educations leading to Universities. including he ex Lover, Dianne Abbot who refused to send her son to the local schools but to a Fee Paying Private School. One rule for the voters of his party and another for the Members of his party. and people still Believe in all their Lies, Wise up people.
Brian

[Jim Brady]

Brian I would like to remind you that people were self employed possibly even before Tony Blair came into politics,ask any builder when was the last time he was "Cards In".All been sub-contractors now for over 30 years or more.I might add that is one of the reasons why not many apprenticeships in the building trade,no company's employing men and to take on apprentices and the self employed man working on a price could not afford to train a lad.
Regards.
Jim.B.

[Captain Kong]

Jim, I do know that many people are self employed and always have been, But I was referring to Employees who were forced to be self employed in the jobs they were doing as employees to save the Companies money. as ESSO did.

[cappy]

Tonight BBC1 9.00pm: The Last Miners.Two part look at the miners of KellingleyColliery in North Yorkshire,which faces closure.Could be worth a look at.
Regards.
Jim.B.

the big K has been closing slowly now for at least 30 years i know this as a bookeeper i had was made redundant then and i set him on ....cappy

[Jim Brady]

I thought the point that you were making Brian was that Tony Blair introduced making people self employed which is incorrect.Many people prefer to be self employed as there are many things that they can claim for on their tax returns.
Regards.
Jim.B.

[Captain Kong]

As regards Zero hours work, It used to be known as Casual Labour. I have worked on building sites as Casual Labour, just work a few days then laid off because that job is done then go and look for another job. I have walked around building sites asking for work, some times taken on until that site or job finished then off again, sometimes not , but kept on going .so that is no big deal, it has always been around.
But Corbyn seems to be making a big scene over it.
Again every man is in charge of his own destiny, If you do not like your situation, do something about it, even if it means working away from home. Study at night school, many Colleges have courses so a person can learn something new, get a qualification. it is all there, but many people do not want to change. When I got married 54 years ago I was a labourer in and out of jobs every week or so, I realised, that no one wants an AB ashore. so only Labouring jobs to do. in and out of work, No way to pay a mortgage or bring up a family. I went to Night school for two years and got qualifications in Sales and Marketing, Got a Sales job with a National Company, Suit and tie job, Good Salary, Company Car and Expenses and good conditions.
I realised that was much better than just being a casual labourer,
So there are many ways to get out of that employment trap. I eventually went back to sea and as an AB at the age of 40 I realised that I didn't want to be doing that until I was 65, So I studied again and went to College and got all my Certificates to Masters.
So anything is possible if you try hard enough. No good whinging and complaining that life dealt you a bad hand. I was born into abject Poverty in the 30s, they do not Know what Poverty is today, I have described what life was like in the 30s when we lived in Poverty in a previous subject.
They can Never imagine what it was like then.

If a kid does not have a £500 IPhone he is in poverty. They are whinging because they have to live on £20,000 a year, Dad Never earned half that in a whole life time of working for 53 years from the age of 12.

We are turning into a Nation of Whingers, everyone whining , "Gimme Gimme People have more than me"
Brian

[Jim Brady]

#58 Cappy will love that one Brian I can see you getting a Like and Thanks for it.
Regards.
Jim.B.

[Rodney Mills]

Up until 1880 or so, The horse was king in satisfying mans need for local and mid length travel. Apart from breeding and raising the horse itself there was a whole industry built around the horse; saddles, blankets, reins, clothing; buggy, hansom cabs stage; coaches, grooms, drivers, footmen; stages, hostelries , farmers (oats and hay), and on and on, a giant world wide industry built around transportation of people and goods. What education did these jobs require? Most of them minimal if any.

Then came an invention that wiped this industry off the face of the earth:In 1860 Daimler-Benz was credited with building the first automobile, the "horseless" carriage. And if you had skipped school and fancied a life as a buggy whip manufacturer your working days were numbered.

Skip forward some years, and the drip of the horseless carriage costing jobs became a tidal wave. Enter Henry Ford: around 1913 he installed the first conveyor belt-based assembly line. His Model T was being assembled in ninety-three minutes, and by 1927 15 million had been assembled. And that was all-she-wrote for the equine based industry.

Sure a large percentage of former horse related employees could change over to the next industry, stage coach driver to busdriver, but to go from hostler to mechanic meant time at school to be able to read manuals and instructions, to write out a bill and so on. Hotels replaced inns, in-turn requiring higher education and social skills.

In 1989 there was an equally employment shattering upheaval, it's called the Internet. Even my industry catering has been shattered. Gone are waiters in place of them are servers, they cannot bone out Dover Sole at your table with a spoon and fork, but then the public today doesn't want that type of food. Servers are food porters at best, but they are computer savvy, with orders going from the table to the kitchen and to the cash register simultaneously, yet they make half what a good waiter used to make (lower bill lower tips and contract hour jobs). Mostly gone are the auto mechanics as we knew them. At least in the States, there's a diagnostic computer reading the computer chip built in my car to find out what's wrong so the mechan...oops! Automobile Technician can fix it.

The world today has become a specialists world not a generalists and requires further education. No way is a kid today dropping out of high school in the States at 16 (minimum age) let alone as a 14-15 year old it's against the law. He or she are not going to get a job as an Auto Technician without at least a high school certificate (at 18 years old in the States) and then the Auto sales company would have to send him/her to a technical college for an AA degree. If this system is not in effect in your country then it's coming.

Today, if you want the suburban house with the white picket fence and two car garage, it's husband and wife working and both with a minimum of a bachelors degree in a solid subject, and this is the lower end of middle class. Back in 1860 a select few could have had that with about six years of education, saving your money, and owning a stable.

Go forward a few years and it will be a masters degree required and even more specialization for entry level into suburbia. For those with just a high school diploma it's a shovel, temporary work, or lifelong government handouts.