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20th October 2016, 08:41 AM
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Harold Wilson signed the Lima Agreement, for all Rich countries to share their industrial wealth with the poor nations.
Harold being a good Socialist closde around 220 coal mines to Import Polish coal as it was a very poor country then.. He also closed down all the Textile Cotton Mills of Lancashire, 100,000 cotton workers out of a job, 20,000 in Bolton alone. all the machinery boxed up and shipped out to India. Now hundreds of desolate cotton mills that no one wants just rotting away.
a bloody disgrace.
Brian.
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20th October 2016, 09:43 AM
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Was also PM during the seamans strike of 1966, which was the start of the downhill slide in shipping. His Yorkshire twang was a put on, knew a master who travelled up with him in Buffet car from Kings Cross to the NE. Spoke in the best Queens English with an Oxford or Cambridge manner. JS.
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20th October 2016, 10:04 AM
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Harold Wilson, the slimiest politician I ever met (not that I have met all that many). My sister and husband lived in Frodsham (over looking the MSC) and I was down visiting her and went to one of their friends parties (who were big in the local Labour party) and he was there. Yes he did speak posh and yes he would not speak to any person below the rank of Lord do and so. The look he gave me when I was introduced to him as a Merchant Navy man, well it was I was a piece of dog dirt that needed wiping off his shoe.
Think that meeting started my inherent mistrust and dislike of all politicians.
rgds
JA
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20th October 2016, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by
FOURO
Say that to the people and families who were involved when these violent clashes took place. They want to know the truth. Lets face it, if we can't trust our own police force to carry out their duties in a civilised manner, then who on earth can we trust?.
I gather the government is going to make a decision in late October regarding Orgreave and it looks very likely that the police and authorities are going to come off second best.
FOURO.
#####fouro its a waste of bloody public money .....it is ofcourse brought up by the same loony left that tried to bring the government down .......the mines were too heavily subsidised by taxpayers money ....harold wilson started the closing down....the loony left never complaint till maggie got in ....scargill is still living off the miners pension fund......i have a relative who stood for hours on the police line while some not all walked up and spit on him ...he was drenched in spittle .....so when the order was given to breakit up ....he was soaked in spit and he then got busy .......no pictures of the constant spitting ....but plenty of poor scargill squarking like a woman fetching off as they dragged him away........and of course of the spitters running as the police dispersed them....why not get that funnny little scottish woman to get an enquiy intio the clearances 250 years ago ....but for gods sake use scottish funds ....ps if there are any left now .....regards cappy
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20th October 2016, 10:16 AM
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#14, David, & 16, Brian," see FOURO'S post#15.
"They hurled a 46lb concrete block and a concrete post weighing 65lbs. They were sentenced to life but on appeal, the convictions were reduced to manslaughter and sentences reduced to eight years.After a fierce campaign for their release led by the NUM's Arthur Scargill and Labour MP Tony Benn, the men were released on 30 November 1989 - the fifth anniversary of David Wilkie's death."
However they only served five years. MP Kim Howells' revelation that while an NUM representative, he destroyed sensitive documents following Mr Wilkie's death!
Three children left fatherless.
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21st October 2016, 05:43 AM
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There was a time, madness effects us all at some time, when I considered Wilson to be the real deal. You learn from your mistakes as you go through life.
I wrote to him on an issue and recieved a reply which I still have. Maybe I should put it on e bay??


Happy daze John in Oz.
Life is too short to blend in.
John Strange R737787
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21st October 2016, 05:51 AM
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John, You might get two bob....just don't book your next cruise on the strength of it
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22nd October 2016, 05:58 AM
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gray_marian
John, You might get two bob....just don't book your next cruise on the strength of it

More likely to get a better return for all the old UCL menus I have no doubt.


Happy daze John in Oz.
Life is too short to blend in.
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31st October 2016, 02:34 PM
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##at last some common sense ...no enquiry into orgreave .......perhaps if we are to be so stupid ..then as mentioned before an enquiry into the highland clearances 250 years ago or the three day week when corbyn and mcdonalds lot with funds from russia tried to bring down an elected british government.....same as there fight now against anything positive ie brexit......destroyers of freedom and builders of nothing .....they are now condemned to the dustbin of politics regards cappy
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6th November 2016, 02:13 PM
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Hi Vic.
There were no miners murdered by the Police,but what
about the Welsh taxi driver who was murdered by
two striking miners and I think they got life sentences.If I remember
rightly this strike was not voted on by the miners,they were ordered
out by the unions,making it illegal,if it had been legal I think more
people would have been behind them and the outcome may have been
different.
Dave Williams
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