The Tube Drivers Strike.

[gray_marian]

#118, Hi Terry, Just realized my Telegraph clip doesn't open at the correct page. The gist of it stated that there would be an automated service in London from 2020/22.
Since we shall agree to differ I offer a small wager. Name your price For what ever year you think. To be fair I will remind you Glasgow already has this facility up and running

[j.sabourn]

Think it was in this post somewhere about financial advisers, if not apologise, however I have a close relative who has a degree in economics who at one time worked for the Australian Federal Treasury Department, which he left for greener pastures in Europe. He took up employment in a totally different sphere of influence. However I was very surprised to learn he had engaged the services of a Financial Advisor to look after his own investments. I like most people would of thought what a degree in economics was for in the first place. Most University graduates go and get degrees no earthly use to their vocation in life, makes one wonder about the whole degree system. Is it just a piece of paper with snob value attached. Cheers JS

[j.sabourn]

#120... Terry before you turn in dreaming about escape routes and survival rating from a disaster in the London Tube system, just imagine some plonker in Westminster throwing in an alternative and suggesting free fall lifeboats, this will add colour to your nightmares. My recurrent nightmare for years is steering a ship down the high street in Whitley Bay, don't tell Brian though he"ll want to know if I have seen his girlfriend. I always wake up saying to myself theres something wrong a ship doesn't steam down concrete. If I could stay asleep a bit longer I might find out the answer. Sweet dreams Cheers JS

[happy daze john in oz]

London underground to Canary Wharf from city centre, driverless trains on trial.

Worked for myself in two pubs and a restaurant no work no pay quiet simple. My brother is self employed ad the same applies. But here I Oz more companies are taking on either casual or contact staff, no union worries there.

But in reply to #98, we now have a group here saying that it is not right that members of the armed forces have to go overseas and may be killed! If you do not want to take that risk then do not sign up

[Red Lead Ted]

#118, Hi Terry, Just realized my Telegraph clip doesn't open at the correct page. The gist of it stated that there would be an automated service in London from 2020/22.
Since we shall agree to differ I offer a small wager. Name your price For what ever year you think. To be fair I will remind you Glasgow already has this facility up and running

Marian, In all honesty I don't think it will happen , Its a massive undertaking the whole infrastructure has to be brought up to speed health and safety aspects alone on automated trains on such a complex network would raise a hell of a challenge to any investor prepared to take the job on. As I said my old man worked on the railway from 1974 after taking redundancy pay from the Mersey Dock Board he worked on the railway until he retired in 1994, They where talking about bringing in single manned trains years before he started 40+ years after he started they still have train guards on Mersey-Rail. And with all due respect the stretch in Glasgow which has the facility is a far cry from the complexity of the London underground. I am not using your post to mention to John Sutton but might as well as he cant work out why a train that runs on a third rail 650 volt traction, Can run swamped in water I think this hat I talk out of I should send him it contains a brain, I wonder has he ever took a train journey when we have had the third rail with 4 inches of snow resting on it ? or it has been dancing down with rain the third rail is just as wet outside as it is underground. Sorry Maz 20/20/22 I really very much doubt anything will be automated I honestly believe man will wipe himself out and an automated London underground system will be the last of our worries. Regards Marian and thanks for the kind wishes regarding Mals up coming heart surgery. Good health to all your crew Terry.

[cappy]

hi terry.....i am sure a lot of what you say is true ......but by taking the action that the unions want to do will cut your 50 years down to 20 or less for the tube drivers .....again a union leading its members by the nose to destruction.....like its backer the labour government ......the truth of it all cant be hidden the unions destruct not construct today by sheer bully tactics and and old dogma as marion ses ...it is already happening .....cappy

[Red Lead Ted]

Cappy, my good friend I will never change your views on unions and what good they did and didn't do and continue to do so, The only thing I will say is George Osborne has just done more for the increase in unemployment figures than any union over the past 10 years, I would never have had a brilliant time at sea without the N.U.S. And neither would you. So we will as with Marian agree to agree on the issue good health to you all Terry.

[Ivan Cloherty]

Terry the world is changing whether we like it or not, 'what was, !was! and has passed, so whether or not anyone is/was a union man is proabaly immaterial in the future, ships got bigger, automation meant less crews, China, Japan, UK and USA are experimenting with fully automated crewless ships, we have ports in the UK, Japan and USA where mooring gangs and mooring ropes are not required, ships are held alongside by magnets on hydraulic arms which move up and down with the tides, even pilots will not be needed to bring vessels alongside. Whether we like it or not we live in an increasingly automated world and inclement weather will not stop trains running either overground or underground. At one time we all thought the Dan Dare comics were all fantasy, but just pick up a copy from all those years ago you will see that ships, aircraft and cars have all evolved in line with shapes and abilities in line or close thereto with the comic illustrators pennings. So whether or not anyone is a diehard union man, or not, is irrelevant as like the dinasours unions will become a thing of the past. The scarcity of the jobs does not lie at George Osborne's door, or any other politicians i fact, it is due to an evolving world and even if the UK had the factories of the past, they would be fully automated by now and not need the number of bodies once needed in times gone past.

[cappy]

absolutely ivan in a nutshell.....there is non so blind as those who will not see......cappy

[Captain Kong]

Hi Terry only thing I will say is George Osborne has just done more for the increase in unemployment figures than any union over the past

Hi Terry
Harold Wilson created more unemployment that any other Politician in History.
He made many Hundreds of Thousands unemployed and lost thousands of jobs
Read what he did with the Lima Agreement he signed. We lost thousands of Seafaring Jobs, Ship owning flagged out to foreign Nations, The Textile Industry closed down and all the machinery transferred to India, 120, thousand jobs lost just in Lancashire. 120 Coal Mines closed down and thousands of coal miner out of work, so he could buy cheaper coal from Poland. many other industries closed down and shipped to Third World Countries.
Because he was "Labour and MP for Huyton, Liverpool, everyone turns a Blind eye to it and try to blame others for the unemployment.
Cheers
Brian