The Tube Drivers Strike.

[Red Lead Ted]

Marian, This automated tube ride your on, Where does one exist in the world, I hope for your sake you are never evacuated from a tube train underground due to a terrorist attack or just a simple power cut, And you have no driver or guard aboard not a very nice experience believe me, The first thing you will encounter is about 18 inches of water deeper in places and rat infested. No need for any strike action Marian, Just give them what they earn simple Regards Terry.

[cappy]

33 pounds plus per hour......for driving a train .....its a joke.....do they still have them blokes waving a flag and blowing a whistle or are we still the last country in europe to have them cappy

[gray_marian]

#111, Ah Terry darlin' that question was just too damm easy, feast your eyes below: 7 in London so far 1 in Glasgow

New 'driverless' tube trains unveiled by TFL - Telegraph
The Telegraph - Telegraph online, Daily Telegraph, Sunday Telegraph - Telegraph › News › UK News › Road and rail transport


Grade of Automation 4 Systems
These systems are capable of unattended train operation (UTO), although some operators may choose to staff trains anyway.

Europe
Denmark Copenhagen Metro - line 1, line 2 - Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro.
Spain Barcelona Metro line 9 - Siemens Trainguard MT CBTC
Spain Barcelona Metro line 10- Siemens Trainguard MT CBTC
Italy Turin Metro Line M1 - VAL type system - opened in section 1 on 4 February 2006 for the 2006 Winter Olympics. First fully automatic metro in Italy.
Italy Rome Metro Line C - Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro
Italy Milan Metro Line 5 - Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro
Italy Brescia Metro - Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro
United Kingdom London Gatwick Airport -Innovia APM 100 inter-terminal people mover built by Bombardier Transportation
United Kingdom London Stansted Airport Transit System inter-terminal people mover using Adtranz C-100 and Bombardier CX-100
France Paris Métro Line 14 - opened on 15 October 1998 - Siemens Trainguard MT CBTC
France Paris Métro Line 15 - To be completed in 2030
France Paris Métro Line 1 - Upgraded from manual operation with first GoA4 trains operating in mixed mode (driven trains and driverless trains) from 3 November 2011. Last manually driven train was removed by end of 2012 - Siemens CBTC
France Orlyval - opened on 2 October 1991 between Antony and Orly-Sud - VAL system.
France CDGVAL - VAL system.
France Rennes Metro - VAL system.
France Toulouse Metro - VAL system.
France Lille Metro - inaugurated on 25 April 1983, the first using the VAL system.
France Lyon Metro Line D Rubber-tyred trains controlled by a system known as MAGGALY (Métro Automatique à Grand Gabarit de l’Agglomération Lyonnaise). - Siemens Trainguard MT CBTC
Germany Nuremberg U-Bahn - U2, U21 and U3 lines.
Switzerland Lausanne Metro - line M2, by Alstom Urbalis
Hungary Budapest Metro - Line 4 [3]
North America[edit]
United States Airport Transit System at O'Hare International Airport in Chicago, Illinois - VAL system.
United States AirTrain at San Francisco International Airport in San Francisco, California
United States Detroit People Mover in Detroit, Michigan
United States JTA Skyway in Jacksonville, Florida
United States TPA Monorail at Tampa International Airport in Tampa, Florida
United States ExpressTram at Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport in Romulus, Michigan
United States AirTrain JFK in Jamaica, New York
United States AeroTrain at Washington Dulles International Airport in Sterling, Virginia
United States ATL Skytrain at Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport in Atlanta, Georgia
United States The Plane Train at Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport in Atlanta, Georgia
United States Metromover in Miami, Florida
United States Morgantown Personal Rapid Transit in Morgantown, West Virginia
United States Las Vegas Monorail in Las Vegas, Nevada
United States Denver International Airport Automated Guideway Transit System at Denver International Airport in Denver, Colorado
United States Satellite Transit System at Seattle–Tacoma International Airport in SeaTac, Washington
Canada SkyTrain in Vancouver, British Columbia — the longest driverless network in North America.
Canada LINK Train at Toronto Pearson International Airport in Toronto, Ontario
South America[edit]
Brazil São Paulo Metro Line 4 - Yellow - Siemens Trainguard MT CBTC
Brazil São Paulo Metro Future Line 6 - Orange
Brazil São Paulo Metro Line 15 - Silver
Brazil São Paulo Metro Future Line 17 - Gold
Asia[edit]
Hong Kong Hong Kong - Disneyland Resort Line. Most trains have an attendant on board.
Malaysia Malaysia - Kuala Lumpur – Kelana Jaya Line
Malaysia Malaysia - Kuala Lumpur – KLIA Aerotrain
Malaysia Malaysia - Kuala Lumpur – Sungai Buloh-Kajang Line
Malaysia Malaysia - Kuala Lumpur – Sungai Buloh-Serdang-Putrajaya Line
Malaysia Malaysia - Kuala Lumpur – Bandar Utama-Klang Line
Malaysia Malaysia - Kuala Lumpur – MRT Circle Line
Philippines Philippines - Manila LRT Line 2
Singapore Singapore - Bukit Panjang LRT
Singapore Singapore - Sengkang LRT
Singapore Singapore - Punggol LRT
Singapore Singapore - Changi Airport Skytrain
Singapore Singapore - North East MRT Line by Alstom Urbalis
Singapore Singapore - Circle MRT Line by Alstom Urbalis
Singapore Singapore - Downtown MRT Line by Invensys CBTC
Singapore Singapore - Thomson-East Coast Line (Under Construction)
Singapore Singapore - Jurong Region Line (Planned)
Singapore Singapore - Cross Island Line (Planned)
United Arab Emirates UAE - Dubai Metro
South Korea Korea - Busan – Busan-Gimhae Light Rail Transit
South Korea Korea - Busan – Busan Subway Line 4
South Korea Korea - Seoul - Shinbundang Line
South Korea Korea - Uijeongbu - U Line
Japan Japan - Tokyo - Yurikamome
Japan Japan - Tokyo - Nippori-Toneri Liner
Japan Japan - Yokohama - Kanazawa Seaside Line
Japan Japan - Nagoya - Linimo (Commuter Maglev, built for Expo 2005)
Japan Japan - Osaka - Nanko Port Town Line
Japan Japan - Kobe - Kobe New Transit (world's first GoA4 line)
Japan Japan - Hiroshima - Skyrail Midorizaka Line (People Mover monorail)
Taiwan Taiwan – Taipei Metro Brown Line (Wenshan Line and Neihu Line). Most trains have an attendant on board.
China China Shanghai Metro Line 10 by Alstom Urbalis. Operated with a driver in a cab.
China China Beijing Metro Yanfang Line - planned [4]
Grade of Automation 3 Systems[edit]
United Kingdom London Docklands Light Railway, opened in 1987
Spain Barcelona Metro line 11 – Siemens Trainguard MT CBTC
China Beijing Subway Airport Express, Beijing Subway – Alstom CBTC (NB this system is operated by a driver in a cab)
Bulgaria Sofia Metro – line 3, scheduled for 2018-2019
Grade of Automation 2 systems[edit]
Europe[edit]
France Paris Métro Lines 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13 Low-level system managing speed in tunnels.
France Paris Métro Line 3 OCTYS system provides ATP and high level ATO with mobile block system - Siemens CBTC
France Paris Métro Line 5 Low-level system managing speed in tunnels. (OCTYS system planned for 2013)
France Paris Métro Line 9 Low level system managing speed in tunnels. (OCTYS system planned for 2015)
France RER line A - Utilizes the SACEM system,one of the most advanced traffic control systems and enables extremely short spacing (under 90 seconds in stations, under 2 minutes in tunnels).
United Kingdom London's Victoria line opened 1967.
United Kingdom London's Central line converted to automated operation in the mid-1990s (a member of staff opens & closes the train doors monitors the train and fixes faults on board. Drivers drive the trains on Sundays and Bank holidays. All shunt moves are made by the drivers and whenever the train stops for fail safe reasons such as excess wheel spin or sliding the driver takes over; at other times trains are computer driven).
United Kingdom London's Jubilee line converted to automated operation in 2011 (a member of staff opens & closes the train doors).[5]
United Kingdom London's Northern line converted in 2012 (a driver operates the doors and presses buttons to start the train).
United Kingdom Glasgow Subway uses driverless trains on its line. The driver checks the way is clear and operates the doors.
Germany Munich U-Bahn (driver operates the doors and handles emergency situations, accelerating and braking is fully automated; a fully driverless turning at terminus stations is planned)
Austria Vienna U-Bahn uses the same system as Munich with fully driverless turning at some terminuses (e.g. U2)
Hungary Budapest Line 3 - converted to automated operation in 1990 (a member of staff opens & closes the train doors)
Spain Bilbao Metro Line 1
Spain Bilbao Metro Line 2
Spain Barcelona Metro line 1
Spain Barcelona Metro line 2
Spain Barcelona Metro line 3
Spain Barcelona Metro line 5
Spain Madrid Metro Line 1 - Bombardier CBTC
Spain Madrid Metro Line 3
Spain Madrid Metro Line 4
Spain Madrid Metro Line 5
Spain Madrid Metro Line 6 - Bombardier CBTC
Spain Madrid Metro Line 7 - Invensys CBTC
Spain Madrid Metro Line 8
Spain Madrid Metro Line 9
Spain Madrid Metro Line 10
Spain Madrid Metro Line 11
Spain Madrid Metro Line 12
Spain Madrid Metro Branch line
Russia Saint Petersburg Metro Line 2 - system "Dvizhenie"
Russia Kazan Metro - system "Dvizhenie"
Turkey Ankara Metro Uses a modified version of Toronto subway's H6 subway model made by Bombardier Transportation and configured for driverless operation.
Turkey İstanbul Metro Line M2 Yenikapi - Haciosman
Turkey İstanbul Metro Line M3 Kirazli - Olympic Village / Basaksehir
Turkey İstanbul Metro Line M4 Kadikoy - Kartal
Sweden Stockholm Metro Green Line (Lines T17, T18 and T19)
Sweden Stockholm Metro Red Line (Lines T13 and T14) will begin ATO operation in 2014 - Ansaldo STS CBTC
Finland Helsinki Metro (including Länsimetro/Västmetron extension) will begin ATO operation in 2015 - Siemens CBTC
Italy Milan Metro Line 3
North America[edit]
Canada Montreal Metro Line 1 Green, Line 2 Orange and Line 5 Blue, opened in 1966 (Lines 1 and 2) and 1986 (Line 5), operates in ATO mode introduced since 1976. A member of staff closes the train doors (doors are usually opened automatically unless the driver requests otherwise) but does not normally drive the trains.
Canada Toronto Subway and RT is expected to have ATC/ATO implemented on the Yonge–University–Spadina Line and the Bloor–Danforth Line by 2016 and 2020 respectively. The Scarborough RT, which uses the same trains as the Vancouver SkyTrain and the Detroit People Mover, already runs on an ATC/ATO system.
Canada Vancouver SkyTrain is the longest fully automated rapid transit system in North America. Introduced in 1986, it consists of the Expo, Millenium, and Canada lines. When the Evergreen Line opens in 2016, SkyTrain will reclaim the title of the longest fully automated rapid transit network in the world.
United States Bay Area Rapid Transit in San Francisco opened in 1972. (A member of staff closes the train doors but does not normally drive the trains).
United States PATCO Speedline between Philadelphia and New Jersey operates in automated mode since 1969, but can be overridden by a staff member.
United States Washington Metro has an automated mode, where the driver is responsible for opening and closing of doors and of overriding the system. However, the system has been operating in manual mode since the June 2009 Washington Metro train collision, and plans are to operate in manual mode until newer railcars are delivered.[6]
United States New York City Subway BMT Canarsie Line L train began automatic train operation in early 2012 - Siemens CBTC.[7][8]
United States San Francisco Muni Metro light rail trains switch to automatic control while operating in the Market Street Subway and in the Twin Peaks Tunnel. The operator manages the doors in-station and pilots the vehicle when running aboveground.
Latin America[edit]
Brazil São Paulo Metro line 4-Yellow
Mexico Mexico City Metro line 12 by Alstom Urbalis
Chile Santiago Metro line 1 by Alstom Urbalis
Caribbean[edit]
Puerto Rico Puerto Rico - San Juan - Tren Urbano - the entire system is fully automated, but can be over-ridden. Substations providing the power are remotely controlled from an operational control centre.
Asia[edit]
Singapore The train operators of North South MRT Line and East West MRT Line (including Changi Airport Branch Line) are only required to open and close the doors, and would usually operate the train manually in situations like extreme weather conditions, or when ATO not available. Both lines are expected to be converted to Thales Seltrac CBTC in 2016 and 2018 respectively.
South Korea Seoul Subway Line 5 - driver on standby and will drive the train when ATO malfunctions or is not available.
South Korea Seoul Subway Line 6
South Korea Seoul Subway Line 7
South Korea Seoul Subway Line 8
South Korea Seoul Subway Line 9
South Korea Korail Bundang Line (Utilizes the Thales SelTrac system with driver on board in case of emergencies)
South Korea Busan Subway Line 1
South Korea Busan Subway Line 2
South Korea Busan Subway Line 3
South Korea Daejeon Subway Line 1
South Korea Incheon Subway Line 1
South Korea Daegu Subway Line 1
South Korea Daegu Subway Line 2
Taiwan Taipei Metro Red Line (Tamsui Line)
Taiwan Taipei Metro Green Line (Xiaonanmen Line, Xindian Line, Xiaobitan Branch)
Taiwan Taipei Metro Blue Line (Banqiao-Nangang Line, Tucheng Line)
Taiwan Taipei Metro Orange Line (Zhonghe Line, Xinzhuang Line, Luzhou Line)
Japan Tokyo Metro Marunouchi Line (Main line converted to ATO in 2010, Hōnanchō branch continues to use ATC/TASC)
Japan Tokyo Metro Namboku Line
Japan Tokyo Metro Fukutoshin Line
Japan Tokyo Metro Chiyoda Line (Kita-Ayase branch)
Japan Tokyo Metro Hibiya Line (ATO trialled during the 1960s, trains now operated in manual mode)
Japan Tokyo Metropolitan Bureau of Transportation Toei Ōedo Line
Japan Tokyo Metropolitan Bureau of Transportation Toei Mita Line
Japan Nankō Port Town Line in Osaka
Japan Osaka Municipal Subway Nagahori Tsurumi-ryokuchi Line
Japan Osaka Municipal Subway Tanimachi Line (ATO trialled from October 1967 until February 1968, trains now operated in manual mode)
Japan Fukuoka City Subway Kūkō Line
Japan Fukuoka City Subway Hakozaki Line
Japan Fukuoka City Subway Nanakuma Line
Japan Saitama Rapid Railway Line (actually a continuation of the Tokyo Metro Namboku Line)
Japan Sendai Subway Nanboku Line (World's first railway system to use fuzzy logic to control the speed of trains)
Japan Yokohama Municipal Subway Green Line
Japan Nagoya Municipal Subway Sakura-dōri Line
Japan Okinawa Monorail
Hong Kong MTR Kwun Tong Line - same system as Paris RER line A
Hong Kong MTR Tsuen Wan Line - same system as Paris RER line A
Hong Kong MTR Island Line - same system as Paris RER line A
Hong Kong MTR Tung Chung Line - same system as Paris RER line A
Hong Kong MTR Airport Express - same system as Paris RER line A
Hong Kong MTR Tseung Kwan O Line - same system as Paris RER line A
Hong Kong MTR East Rail Line
Hong Kong MTR West Rail Line (Utilizes the SelTrac system with driver on board in case of emergencies)
Hong Kong MTR Ma On Shan Line (Utilizes the SelTrac system with driver on board in case of emergencies)
China Beijing Subway, 4, 8, 10 (Utilizes the SelTrac system with driver on board in case of emergencies)
China Beijing Subway Fangshan Line by Alstom Urbalis
China Beijing Subway Line 2 by Alstom Urbalis
China Beijing Subway Line 6 by Alstom Urbalis
China Beijing Subway Line 9 by Alstom Urbalis
China Wuhan Metro Line 1 (Utilizes the SelTrac system with driver on board in case of emergencies)
China Guangzhou Metro Line 3 (Utilizes the SelTrac system with driver on board in case of emergencies)
China Shenyang Metro Line 1 - Ansaldo STS CBTC
China Shanghai Metro Lines 6, 7, 8, 9 and 11 (Line 11 from 2012) (Utilizes the SelTrac system with driver on board in case of emergencies)
China Shenzhen Metro Luobao Line by Siemens LZB 700M.
China Shenzhen Metro Shekou Line &Huanzhong Line by Alstom Urbalis.
China Shenzhen Metro Longgang Line by Bombardier CITYFLO 650.
China Shanghai Metro Lines 13 by Alstom Urbalis
India Kolkata Metro Line 1 and probably the future Line 2
India Delhi Metro Red Line (Uses signalling systems supplied by Alstom)
India Delhi Metro Yellow Line (Uses signalling systems supplied by Alstom)
India Delhi Metro Blue Line (Uses LZB 700 signalling systems supplied by Siemens)
India Delhi Metro Green Line Bombardier
India Delhi Metro Violet Line (Uses signalling systems supplied by Bombardier Transportation)
India Delhi Metro Airport Express (Uses RHEDA-2000 signalling systems supplied by Bombardier Transportation)
Thailand BTS Skytrain Sukhumvit Line and Silom Line by Bombardier CITYFLO 450.
Thailand Bangkok Metro MRT Blue Line by Siemens LZB 700M.
Thailand Suvarnabhumi Airport Rail Link by Siemens LZB 700M.
Malaysia Ampang Line & Sri Petaling Line
Malaysia KL Monorail
Malaysia KLIA Ekspres & KLIA Transit
Africa[edit]
Algeria Algiers Metro - opened on 1 November 2011 - Siemens CBTC
Future system and lines[edit]
Taiwan Taichung Subway Green line - UTO by Alstom Urbalis
Hong Kong MTR South Island Line (East) - UTO by Alstom Urbalis
China Wuxi Metro Line 1 & Line 2 - by Alstom Urbalis
China Ningbo Metro Line 1 - by Alstom Urbalis
Spain Barcelona Metro line 2 - Siemens CBTC
Italy Rome - Italy - Rome Metro Line C - Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro.
Italy Milan Metro Line 4 - Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro
Macau Macau - driverless elevated lightrail
Australia Pilbara iron ore trains operated by Rio Tinto are proposed to be converted to driverless operation by 2014.[9]
Australia Pilbara iron ore trains from Roy Hill.
Australia Sydney Rapid Transit, Chatswood to Rouse Hill - by Alstom Urbalis
Brazil São Paulo Line 4 opened in 2010 between the stations Paulista and Butantã
Brazil São Paulo Future Line 6 opened in 2014 between the stations Brasilândia to São Joaquim
Brazil São Paulo Metro line 1, line 2, line 3 by Alstom Urbalis
Denmark Copenhagen Metro line 3, line 4 by Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro
Netherlands Amsterdam Metro 5 lines by Alstom Urbalis
Russia Moscow's Third Interchange Circuit is expected to be completed in 2016.
Singapore Downtown MRT Line, by 2017. Thomson-East Coast MRT Line, by 2021.
Spain Malaga Metro Line 1 & Line 2 by Alstom Urbalis
United States New York City Subway IRT Flushing Line (7 train) converted to GoA2 automatic train operation by 2016.
United Arab Emirates Al Sufouh LRT by Alstom Urbalis
Taiwan Taipei Circular Line - AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro.
Greece Thessaloniki Metro - Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro.
Greece Athens Metro Line 4.
Canada Vancouver SkyTrain Evergreen Line in Coquitlam, BC
Thailand Bangkok Metro MRT Purple Line - UTO by Bombardier CITYFLO 650
Czech Republic Prague Metro Line D May change to non-automatic line
Turkey Istanbul Metro M5 (Üsküdar-Çekmeköy/Sancaktepe) - UTO Fully driverless system
Turkey Istanbul Metro M6 (Levent - Hisarustu) - GoA 2
Turkey Istanbul Metro M7 (Mecidiyekoy - Mahmutbey) - UTO Fully driverless system

[john sutton]

marian.Your wasting your time.We all are.Terry is still living in the last century(early part) when britain was a major industrial power.We had a major car industry which was destroyed by the unions and weak management and now all out car companies are foreign owned.We had a shipbuilding industry that was the envy of the world which was destroyed by union demarcation practices.Now those workers are all out of work.
the tube drivers will be out of work one day and will miss the 50k a year.

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Marian, This automated tube ride your on, Where does one exist in the world, I hope for your sake you are never evacuated from a tube train underground due to a terrorist attack or just a simple power cut, And you have no driver or guard aboard not a very nice experience believe me, The first thing you will encounter is about 18 inches of water deeper in places and rat infested. No need for any strike action Marian, Just give them what they earn simple Regards Terry.

talking through your hat again terry.How would the electric trains run with 18inches of water which would cover the electric rail or do you think that they are still steam like the unions

[Ivan Cloherty]

I don't think you have produced enough evidence yet Marian, further research is necessary, go girl!

[cappy]

###jeez terry you better get behind that sofa ...lol cappy theres thousands of them .......coming here shortly

[Red Lead Ted]

I don't think you have produced enough evidence yet Marian, further research is necessary, go girl!

Ivan, You know your stuff alright, Marian we are talking about a lot more complex network of underground tube miles than you have stated, And much much more, Than could be run by any automated service sorry hun with or without the unions the London underground would never be run without train crews Regards Terry.

[Red Lead Ted]

I have been logged on seconds I have not researched the London tube network I may be taking a chance on this but talking from experience obtained on the Mersey rail network which also has an underground system, Anyone who knows what an I.B.S. is Intermediate Block System,, Its a system that has replaced a once signal box area, Which I suspect the London tube has its fair share, It can only be of use when there is a driver or guard who understands what it is for and more important where they can be found on a rail network that's what a human can do that automation cant learn and remember {we still don't have a robot that can walk on 2 legs ?? }. No substitute for experience Terry.

[Red Lead Ted]

marian.Your wasting your time.We all are.Terry is still living in the last century(early part) when britain was a major industrial power.We had a major car industry which was destroyed by the unions and weak management and now all out car companies are foreign owned.We had a shipbuilding industry that was the envy of the world which was destroyed by union demarcation practices.Now those workers are all out of work.
the tube drivers will be out of work one day and will miss the 50k a year.



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talking through your hat again terry.How would the electric trains run with 18inches of water which would cover the electric rail or do you think that they are still steam like the unions

John ,John, Don't insult my intelligence I will let you work that one out for yourself, How do you suppose the power can be cut off 650 volts third rail and have one train on a network isolated yet have the rest of the system running ?????????? There are them who have done it and them who will wonder I am the latter Terry.

[Red Lead Ted]

Early start tomorrow guys and girls, I bid you all goodnight OH!!!!!!!!! John if you work out how it can be done, Do let me know Terry.