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    Very interesting read. I knew some of this , but not all. There is a lesson to be learned, I think.

    Here is a little history, including how the term ‘Leatherneck’ came to be.

    Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago,
    the United States had declared war on *****, and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!
    At the height of the eighteenth century, ****** pirates were the terror
    of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic. They
    attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant
    ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment
    and wrote heart breaking letters home, begging their government and
    family members to pay whatever their Mohammedan captors
    demanded.


    These extortionists of the high seas represented the Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis,
    Morocco, and Algiers – collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast –
    and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American
    Republic.

    Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had
    been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared
    its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States
    were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to
    protect its own fleets. Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.
    Beginning in1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas
    Jefferson became America’s Minister to France. That same year, the
    U.S. Congress sought to appease its ****** adversaries by following in
    the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States,
    rather than engaging them in war.


    In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships,
    and the Dey of Algiers demanded an unheard-of
    ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion,
    and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further
    payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a
    coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states
    into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the
    ransom.


    In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli’s ambassador to Great Britain
    to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved
    American citizens, and why ******s held so much hostility towards
    America, a nation with which they had no previous
    contacts.


    The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had
    answered that ***** "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it
    was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have
    acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and
    duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found ,
    and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every
    Musselman (******) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."
    Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-****** nations,
    as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including
    George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only
    further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years, the American
    government paid the ******s millions of dollars for the safe passage of American
    ships or the return of American hostages . The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to
    over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in
    1800.

    Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being
    sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha
    of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000
    plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed
    everything.

    Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms,
    what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting
    down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared war on the
    United States.
    Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit.
    Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a
    naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but having watched his
    nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was
    finally time to meet force with force.

    He dispatched a squadron
    of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the ****** nations of the
    Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress
    authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and
    goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to “cause to be done all other acts of
    precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify”.

    When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and
    acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will
    and the might to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to
    Tripoli.
    The war with Tripoli lasted for four more
    years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine
    Corps in these wars led to the line “to the shores of Tripoli” in the
    Marine Hymn, They would forever be known as “leathernecks” for the
    leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from
    being cut off by the ****** scimitars when boarding enemy
    ships.


    *****, and what its Barbary followers justified
    doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson
    quite deeply. America had a tradition of religious tolerance, the
    fact that Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for
    Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist ***** was like no other religion
    the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose
    holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers
    was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this
    brand of ***** would return and pose an even greater threat to the
    United States.
    This should bother every American. That the Islams
    have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at
    taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews,
    and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where ******
    defendants are being judged, Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers
    have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist
    sensibilities. Ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger
    King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the
    Arabic script for Allah, public schools are pulling pork from
    their menus, on and on in the news papers….

    It’s death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it,
    and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across
    America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate
    what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to
    our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a
    politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists agenda.
    Sadly, it appears that today’s America would rather be politically
    correct than victorious.

    Any doubts, just Google Thomas Jefferson vs the ****** World

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    And so it continues, today the 'Greens' here in Oz are expressing concerns about the term 'Christmas' and consider that the name maybe should be changed. They are acting like fifth columists on this issue, and only adding fuel to the fire of those opposed to anything thta may have Christian overtones.

    Just heard comments from a spokesman for the 'Greens' "As the number of Christians, and those going to church is in decline, the celebration of Christmas should be removed from the callendar'.
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    Are we not allowed to use the word ******, why the ....... instead?
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    I did not type in ******.
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    Am I allowed to type Christian, Hindu or Sikh?
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    Same thought, we can say Catholic, Hindi, Buddhist, Mormon and all the other world religions and faiths but not this one. Very strange.

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    I am allowed to type in Christian, Hindu and Sikh. but not the word in question,
    why is this?
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    #4&5 I'm sure we all remember the recent shutdown of this site by 'dark forces' who had been monitoring our even-handed and moderate comments on certain religious factions. thankfully, the clever tech team eventually got us back, but at the price of a certain freedom of speech restriction, namely ******.
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    The 'thin edge of the wedge' is getting deeper in

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    Quote Originally Posted by john gill View Post
    #4&5 I'm sure we all remember the recent shutdown of this site by 'dark forces' who had been monitoring our even-handed and moderate comments on certain religious factions. thankfully, the clever tech team eventually got us back, but at the price of a certain freedom of speech restriction, namely ******.
    Gilly.
    Thanks for that John, did not know the site had problems in the past.

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    #5, I'll happily send a bottle of choice to the elected winner who can substitute "that" word with a comical overtone to be used instead......If of course management allow?

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    #9. Just working on that one Lady Marian. Suggest you put a magnum of Crystal on ice in anticipation.
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