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[Les Woodard]

Well another minister resigns from state politics. Seems that the Liberals are more of a basket case than anyone could imagine with so much corruption within their ranks. After the premier resigned and the new bloke took over reshuffling his cabinet to weed out the suspects only to have his police minister have to resign because of the ICAC hearing. Do not get me wrong the Labour mob are also tied up in it and unlike some I do not have blinkers on and can see them combining to halt this ICAC. How anyone can blindly follow one party and lambast the other one has me stumped. This current mob that Happy J seems to hold above all others are no bloody better. Want to pay women half pay while dropping a tin lid and also purchasing aircraft that are already duds costing billions in the process. I know he said that it was already costed but blind Freedy can see that the money could be better used. Just hope this ICAC flows onto the feral lot as obviously there are only one or two good apples in the barrel in our country running it. So hoping that you all manage to sort your lot out as we also know what it is like to be ruled by self interested politicians. If you can get UKIP up how about sending a branch over her to sort this lot out please.

[gray_marian]

Does this help??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSIUf2hD6Io

[Roger Dyer]

Well another minister resigns from state politics. Seems that the Liberals are more of a basket case than anyone could imagine with so much corruption within their ranks. ...................

Hi Les........Quite agree with your comments regarding the latest corruption allegations concerning members of the Liberal Party in N.S.W., clearly, it is a trait not restricted too any particular political party. It is something about which I would have thought you were already aware, then again, I did note you were far less voluble when revelations about 'Fast Eddie' Obeid and his corrupt political associates in the N.S.W. Labour Party were first made public (not to mention those crooks in the Union hierarchy who fleeced millions from the very people whose interests they should have been protecting).......barstewards all, don't you agree? It rather makes your criticism of 'Happy Daze' a tad
selective, mate, doesn't it? Pot and kettle come to mind.


.......Roger

[happy daze john in oz]

Well Roger, thankfully my skin is thick so words such as those of our dear comarade Les will do no harm. But yes there is corruption in all walks of life be it Liberal, Labor, Police or any other office of high merit.
Sadly we now have a situation where one party has ammases such a debt that the other must now attempt to asuage the situation best it can. Interestingly though the ALP has only once since 1945, and that was in 1986, managed to get a balanced budget, some record.
But I will not dwell on the corruption incidents aligned to the Union movements, not fair on the workers who pay their dues to do so, but sadly it is those very members who bear the brunt of the corruption.
Like it or not we will never see the perfect world, the poor will always be with us and without the rich there would be very few jobs for the poor to work at. But as for comrade Les I will continue to support his right to free speech even if he castigates me in the process. Like all of us he is entitled to his political beliefs even if I do not agree with him.

[Les Woodard]

Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding. I was a memeber of a union plus a member of the ALP years ago. I only gave up union membership when I gave up work and was not one of their favoured members due to arguments over loads of issues with them so the parting was a relief of both sides. Simply because the union was more self interested in furthering their needs above the workers needs. Years before this I resigned from the ALP when it became evident to me that they to where on the same track as the union. The ALP that I joined years ago was more in touch with the members than the one I left. Yes you are right the Obied saga is a bloody disgrace and like all connected with politics will still come out of it unpunished simply because the rot is so firmly entrenched. I to agree with John and free speech needs to be defended just a pity that the latest lot are using Murder dock to censure what is in most papers here in Oz to promote the government that he wants us to have. Personally I am starting to lean towards the PU party simply because he is at least more open if not radical with the public. I also was in favour of One nation until the Libs and ALP combined to get rid of it simply because she was getting a lot of following and that needed to be nipped in the bud. So if anyone thinks that there is an absence of disgust on me behalf towards the ALP then it is further from the truth than they think. As for my leanings towards unions they to have waned as near the end of my working life I saw how many conditions and benefits we ended up giving away simply to promote the parasites running the union. The worst part was it ended up coming right down the line to delegates within our own ranks who where only to willing to be puppets to all this. Needless to say there are still a smattering of good ones out there but very scarce on the ground for sure. That is why I have a go at John simply because it seems he is promoting the Liberal ideals while denegrating all others. I know this as I used to do the fecking same thing many years ago while those I was backing where turning rotten to the core. Taking the blinkers of is very liberating and one realises how stupid it all was. No it is not being against anyones political leanings it is being against the garbage I am supposed to accept as true when I know different. So while we argue over the matter these parasites both here and in the UK make sure that we have no choice but to elect the whole bloody bunch back in as they know that come election time it is simply a matter of a baton change until they are back in power. So please be assured there is no bloody defence on my behalf concerning hypocrisy between the two parties within OZ. Just hope the next generation are not so gullible as this one.

[j.sabourn]

#85.. Les like you I must be what is considered a floating voter. The Trade Union movement was also started with good intentions and think at the grass roots level they still have. To do away with Trade Unions would I think be a very short sighted idea in the long term, although most nowadays decry, if it hadnt originally been for such the populance would not be as well off as it is. We all know and think those who advocate seemily extreme high rises know they are asking for the unobtainable but still persist in doing so, the argument being in most cases that some not overly bright person who is at the top or near the top of the tree is receiving salarys which nobody is worth. Without unions and I have worked with such they pay what they want, conditions are what they are willing to give you, you have no claims re safety, in fact you have nothing but a job which can be instantly taken away from you. There is to my thinking a definite place for unions, however not in politics as they would run the country into debt in a very short time as has been shown both here and the UK... Cheers John S

[Roger Dyer]

Hi Les....your #85 refers.

Firstly, mate, sincere thanks for your excellent post. Clearly, I overestimated your level of support for the present-day Labour movement and modern Union practice alike, and must apologise for so doing. Having read your frank and honest disclosure, Les, I realise we share similar views regarding the current political state of affairs in Australia, however, for me, the jury is still out as far as Mr.Palmer is concerned. Call me paranoid, but I've always had great suspicion of wealthy businessmen who seek to venture into the seemy world of politics. Invariably, I find, their political ambition usually stems from self-interest rather than altruistic feelings for the welfare of their fellow men and women (perhaps, no different to most other politicians you might say, and you'd be right, mate !). If Palmer were to disprove my theory, I would be surprised and delighted....we shall just have to wait and see, I suppose. Keeping in mind the Australian belief in 'a fair go for all', perhaps we should afford the present Government a little more time before confining them to the local tip, after all, the previous Government were allowed 8 years to dismantle the Australian economy at their leisure (come on, Les, 'fair suck of the Sav')


...........Roger

[Des Taff Jenkins]

HI Les.
Unfortunately the Rum corps is still alive and kicking, and it's not only the politicians, A Senator Nash had a scandal when she employed a bloke who was a lobbyist for the junk food and alcohol industry's
as her chief of staff and who was instrumental in ordering the removal of a government healthy food rating web site, she had to sack him.
Now the Indigenous affairs minister has found ??? that one of his advisers holds a majority stake in a business that operated within his portfolio.
My mate Jack Ferguson who you may remember was the deputy Premier in NSW under the LATE Nevile
Wran once told me that he couldn't even spend the money they paid him as an MP [he used to be a bricklayer]but the greedy baswards were never satisfied they still wanted the brown bag every week.
Cheers Des

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[Les Woodard]

Yes the rum corp is still here in Oz. As for Palmer well for me his saving grace is that at least we know where he is coming from. I would much prefer having someone who's agenda I know of than the current lot that in most cases are just opportunists and as stated before just greedy. As for the union buggers well I think we can trace the downward trend for unions back to Bob Hawk as once they found out that a union leader could end up as a PM that opened up a whole can of worms for other union leaders to aspire to the same. Think you will also find that politics headed south once we lost Neville Wran as premier as it was near the end of his term that the Obied and cronies started to take over the ALP and of course this flowed through to the Libs as well. There will be a change one day and we will end up with a crap party in power eventually but not because we like them but for the fact that those in power have left us no choice but to kick the major parties out. That my friend is my take on why the UKIP is getting so much following and would like them to also start up here in Oz.

[Lou Barron]

Reading all the posts on this site really makes my day better than watching TV (bar for horse racing and sport)I think I might get a few bites ???