Submersible missing

[Ivan Cloherty]

[QUOTE=happy daze john in oz;418942]Ivan, if as you say some knew one hour into the dive that the implosion had occurred then why the massive search efforts??

/QUOTE]

John, its not just ME saying it, it's the USNavy, the USCoastguard, plus submersible experts and your oft quoted Mr Cameron, of course they had to continue the search, until there was no chance of the occupants being found alive, because that's what SAR do, people and authorities need answers. I am afraid you will have to open your mind on this one.

[John Pruden]

i just hope there end was quick so they would have known nothing about there end of life but i must comment that the sub was not that deep in the depth that this happened but the loophole that allows these things should be stopped? jp

[Ivan Cloherty]

i just hope there end was quick so they would have known nothing about there end of life but i must comment that the sub was not that deep in the depth that this happened but the loophole that allows these things should be stopped? jp

They estimate just over 10,000 metres, that's 5.7 miles and approx 1hour 45 minutes into the dive when the implosion occured, that is deep no matter which way you look at it.

[Marian Gray]

The only vessel the RN had in 1980 able to do a rescue of survivors from a bottomed submarine was the well out of date HMS Reclaim , second to that was mv.Seaforth Clansman. It was the one and main reason we didn’t accompany the fleet down to the Falklands as the navy wouldn’t commit it too far away from where may be needed as would leave that area exposed . They were busy building their own vessel think it was HMS Challenger. However going by what I heard on the grapevine on completion the Challenger proved to be a white elephant , as due to the information gained from the Falklands war and the intelligence that it provided on how easily aluminium burned and which a lot of that material had been put into her building , her commission was not too long under the White Ensign . The Challenger was not built as a DSV purely for the one job , but a ship for all seasons . Seasons being jobs. What the RN has today I haven’t a clue. The Clansman I tried to follow her career and got as far where she was looking for gold off the seabed somewhere off West Africa. Probably been made into razor blades a long time ago. Cheers JS
PS the gold may of been diamonds JS

Believe this is the one in question John.

https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels...ago%20by%20AIS.

[j.sabourn]

If the barely discernible photo is supposed to be her Marian. Then it isn’t. The photo on my App is her. But since I left the fire monitors on the foremast have been removed and she had a heli deck put in their place. Maybe to carry all those diamonds ashore . Think she may be long gone by now .
Cheers JS If you click on the photo on my page all her features will be revealed .JS

[Marian Gray]

For land lubbers like me to fully understand is this link probable? Death then would have been instantaneous.

https://www.tiktok.com/@sincerelyboo...28425431108910

[j.sabourn]

Looks about how I would imagine it JS

[Marian Gray]

If the barely discernible photo is supposed to be her Marian. Then it isn’t. The photo on my App is her. But since I left the fire monitors on the foremast have been removed and she had a heli deck put in their place. Maybe to carry all those diamonds ashore . Think she may be long gone by now .
Cheers JS If you click on the photo on my page all her features will be revealed .JS

John, I was going by the info of the last two lines bottom of the page on link. She had been working in South Africa previously.

John checked out your Photo, quite agree Clansman is nothing like the HMS Challenger which I was referring too, my mistake See below for the MV Seaforth Clansmen of yesteryear and what became of her under new name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RV_St._Barbara

Two for the price of one!

[cappy]

Ref. Above looking at book on the 23 Sept. 1986 I must have been ashore. Vessels on during that part of Year were Silver Pit 27.6.88 to 8.7.88 then someone broke it. Johnshaven 19.8.88 to 17.9.88. Then Burnhaven 7.10.88 to 10.11.88. So wasn’t at sea 23sept 88. I was on the Sandhaven after these . So explained why no maydays heard I was in the pub with Vernon or someone like him . JS
PS Ref. The poor old broken Silver Pit would have blamed Cappy if had been there for the damage , was a danger with a chipping hammer , did endless damage years before put holes in the shell plating of a ship had to be dry docked and sold to the Chinese . JS

Jeez john the plates were so thin ......we walked them on tiptoe in 1959 when i joined her in wallaroo ......athough she was homeward bound many had skinned out in wallaroo....we had belgians swedes norskes and ozzies a proper last minute crowd to get her away.. she was in one bad way ....as said before the chinese took her on the tyne and sailed her for many more years .....she was one old lady ......but like a lady in an agentinian honkey ...ie tanker joes ....she was well and truly battered.....but she got me home after a great adventure and learning curve that stood me in great stead in my future years....happy memories...hope you and gwen are standing fast.. old age is one time not to be taken lightly but that is part of the rich pattern ......best wishes and regards will drink one for you and gwen tonight ......R683532 CAPPY

[j.sabourn]

#58 Thats her Marian thanks , one of the best jobs in my seagoing life . Money or not. Sailing with good people and those who knew what was expected of them. Both RN and MN. And still able to joke in most situations . JS
#59 as said Cappy once before she came into work from Doxfords in Sunderland in 1944 was. The second merchant ship into Singapore after the japs gave up so the first ship in must have been worse as probably both sent in to see where the mines where and were dispensable. Poor old Runcimans could only afford 3 cylinders in those days . How’s your old arthritic bones doing not making soup with them yet? Off to hospital tomorrow hope they don’t expect to stick up any more cameras , have now got taxi chits from the government so will get there half price, will have to try them in the pub as well and see what happens . Cheers JS