Discharge Book numbering from WW 2 to 1972 for British seamen

[Doc Vernon]

Hello casso
Now not 100% sure on this but as it shows his First Ship in 1938 it could be presumed that , it was the date of issue?? However at looking at other Threads on this sort of thing that Number is to me then out of date!
This is from his CR 2 Document.

The Ship shown is either Off Number 146467 or 148467 , the entry is a bit hard to make out!

First Ship by Number was Furley,s No 4 Sailboat. Out of Hull Built 1922.
The second was the Ship Club Built 1909 also Hull.


Hope this may help ??
Cheers

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[Hugh]

It is quite difficult to know exactly when a Dis. A was issued due to the fact they were issued in blocks to MMO’s. The more I study these, I always find a few issued to some seamen much later than the first books in the original batch.
Vernon admits he is not very sure on this so I think I can help a little.
His number looks ok to me and his first ship was not in 1938 because he served in WW1 and he has a medal file to prove it.
He also has a CR10 card and another CR2 card on top of the two shown. His CR 10 shows he joined ss MONASSIR in 1920. However, that is not the end of the story.
I think I can trace him in 1915 aboard the Hull registered, NOVO official number 113648 aged 30, Ship’s Cook, living in Cambridge Terrace or street in Hull. If that address rings a bell then we have the right man. His previous ship was TEANO in 1914.
If he joined the Merchant Navy prior to 1900 then he would be sailing without a Discharge Book as they were not issued until 1900 and then only for those on FG voyages. Those on HT voyages still received a paper discharge.
Regards
Hugh

[Doc Vernon]

Yes indeed Hugh

The CR2 baffled me , as looking at it , thought it may have been his First Ship, but Oh! my error as i did not read the Original post correctly!
Silly me!
Anyway at least we got something sorted thanks to you once again to the rescue!
So will now await a reply from casso, to see if that address rings any Bells!
Cheers

Not at all going against what is said here by you Hugh, but just that i se that it says Previous Ship (Regarding the Nova) Noted as (Same?)

P Adams; rank/rating, Ship's Cook; age, 30; place of birth, Southampton; previous ship, same.
Date:	1915

Name	Port of registry and details	Source
MONASSIR	London, 62/1920, Steam, 1122 tons	Appropriation Books, RSS
SWITZERLAND	Built: 1920, Register closed: 1928	TNA catalogue, BT 110/630/31

See that the one ship was also called Switzerland !

Note too that another Ship is noted on the CR10 Card joined 28.8 1921 Dido Built 1920

Just some interest on that Ship had other names as well!

WRECKSITE - MONASSIR CARGO SHIP 1940-1953

[Hugh]

Not at all going against what is said here by you Hugh, but just that i se that it says Previous Ship (Regarding the Nova) Noted as (Same?)

Well I hope not Vernon because you are looking at a different voyage. As you know seamen signed on and off ships all the time but some stayed with the ship and signed on for another voyage. P. Adams sailed on NOVO from the beginning of 1915 until September of that year signing on for each new voyage.

When he signed on for his first voyage on NOVO in Jan, 1915 he is listed as follows: P Adams; rank/rating, Ship's Cook; age, 30; place of birth, Southampton; previous ship, Teano of Hull.

Regards
Hugh

[casso]

I'm not at home at the moment but I''l be back by Monday night and dig out my files on him. I remember 32 Cambridge Street I also know he married my Grandma in 1908 whilst living in Sculcoates area Hull. He spent all his married life living in Hull so a lot of his sea time will have been on Ellermam Wilson ships. If it ended in O it was one of theirs. Well most likely. His real birth date was 1888 but I think he ran away to sea at 14 and had to tell them he was born in 1884, if you're going to lie tell a big one.

If he sailed on the Novo in 1915 then the articles should be held in the UK so on my next visit I will go and look them up. I would love to be able to trace his seafaring history. Although born in Southampton he and his family were living in South Africa when he ran off to sea. It could make an interesting story.

Thanks for your help.

Casso R710335

[casso]

Thanks Hugh, now you've got me going again. I can't wait to get home and start rooting through his papers. His Father's story is interesting, shipwrecked twice and paid off in some odd places. So perhaps Grandad has a tale to tell.

Thanks for rekindling my interest.

Casso R710335.

[Jim Mackenzie]

Hi David

My discharge book number of R907544 was issued 4th Sept. 1972. I was one of many deck cadets that day joining the P&O cadet ship Otaio in London.

Regds Jim Mackenzie

[Doc Vernon]

Not that it may make much difference casso
However the entry that Hugh speaks of is noted as what looks to me to be Number 6 Cambridge Terrace.
Cheers

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Going back to the initial question then just wondering if possibly that Book Number was issued around the 1915 Mark, i know they started in 1900, but as said bu Hugh , he may have sailed before without a Book as not required then?
Just a question thats all>
Cheers

[casso]

That's his signature for sure Doc.
Which ship's articles did that come from and what year. Perhaps they moved from 6 Cambridge Terrace to 32 Cambridge Street at a later date, sort of moved 1 step up the ladder.

I've been looking through the stuff that I have on him and knowing my Grandma's family had connections to Grimsby trawlers Grandad could possibly have started out as a galleyboy on a Grimsby trawler and been introduce to the family by one of the crew. Who knows?

Thanks for the information. I feel bad about taking over this thread but if it keeps it alive it's got to be good.

Casso R710335.

[Doc Vernon]

That was from the 1915 entry that Hugh gave , on the Ship Novo casso!

Glad things are getting interesting for you
Keep going its always so nice to have all the info on ones Relatives!
Cheers