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[j.sabourn]

#65 Just drink shandies next time Jim.. JS

[j.sabourn]

Jim you mention tonnages. Don't get taking in like the average shore person. Tonnages mean different things to seamen. We usually when talking amongst cargo ship men usually refer to Deadweight tonnage, that is the amount of cargo she can usually carry down to her summer marks. You have total Displacement and light displacement tonnage the difference between the two is the deadweight tonnage. These are your actual weight tonnages. Gross and nett tonnages are measurements of cubic area of certain parts of the ship and are usually what a ship pays its harbour and light dues on. The suez canal tonnage is another one with other exemptions on which passage through the canal on what ships also pay on. It is a subject when loading a ship to its marks you have to have knowledge of, is too long to learn totally on here as requires other knowledge as well, such as taking and knowing the density of the water you are loading in called the FWA (Fresh water Allowance) the books I have read written by non seafarers always come adrift when they start talking about and get mixed up. If tonnages come into your book is best to stick with Deadweight tonnage you are then liable to make less spottable errors. Cheers JS

[James blake]

#65 Just drink shandies next time Jim.. JS

can't do that I'm afraid....

[Des Taff Jenkins]

Hi James
A ringbolt, giving a free trip, mainly between NZ and Aus. Example the passenger ship Monowai carried many ringbolt's [Un paying passengers helped by the seamen/stewards] across the Tasman, as did many cargo boats, in most cases they were seamen.
Cheers Des

hmmmm, that sounds like it could have lots of meanings....

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they've just led sheltered lives....:

[James blake]

Been doing a bit of background writing , not really anything to do with the sea though.
Like to ask though, has anyone been to Kowloon.... sounds absolutely crazy.

[Captain Kong]

I was in Kowloon month, March. Not as good as the 50s.
Brian

[James blake]

I was in Kowloon month, March. Not as good as the 50s.
Brian

I have been reading about it seems absolutely mental - the City of Darkness. The most densely populated place on the planet. Any stories would be appreciated. Small details like the price of a taxi from the harbour for example - looking at late 50's early 60's.

[j.sabourn]

If you've seen the movie the world of suzie wong, that's what it used to be like. I used to have a girl friend in Hong Kong and used to get the ferry back every morning to Kowloon. JS

[Captain Kong]

That is where Mimi took me home in 1959 when we took the Good Hope Castle to Junk Bay for scrapping, we had a week there.
She said she liked me a lot better than the Americans who were always drunk and fighting and wrecking her Bar.
She was real nice.
Today, full of tourists, shops and sky scrapers with Eight Million people all packed in together. It took one and a half hours in a coach to get to the Airport. at Lantau, the traffic was diabolical.
Hong Kong is self governing today separate from Mainland China. a lot of businesses have moved into China because the Labour is cheaper than in Hong Kong so that has created a lot of unemployment. So the main stay is tourism rather than the old Industries.
The airport used to be in the centre of Kowloon at Kai Tak , we flew home from there in 1959 on a four day flight in an old Dakota,
Kai Tak Airport is now a Cruise ship Terminal.
Brian

[Captain Kong]

A history of the working girls in Hong Kong from google...............

Population census in 1865 and 1866 recorded 81 and 134 "Chinese brothel keepers".[3] The 1874 Annual Report of the Colonial Surgeon reported that there were "123 licensed Chinese brothels, containing 1,358 prostitutes".[4] From 1879 to 1932, prostitution was legal and regulated, and prostitutes were required to register for licenses, pay tax, and have regular health examination.[citation needed] Prostitution boomed in the districts of Sai Ying Pun, Wan Chai, Mong Kok and Yau Ma Tei. In 1930 Hong Kong, with a population of 1.6 million,[citation needed] boasted 200 legal brothels with over 7,000 licensed prostitutes.[5] But in 1932, the Hong Kong government issued a ban on prostitution and three years later licensed prostitution ended. From that time on, prostitution was permitted within strict limits while prohibiting a whole host of activities surrounding prostitution, such as soliciting for sex and living off "immoral earnings" (working as a pimp).[6] It has also attracted prostitutes from other countries. Most of them have come from Southeast Asia, and even from Europe and the United States.[7]

Although organised prostitution is illegal, the industry had always been under the influence of triads to recruit economically disadvantaged women who otherwise would never enter the profession voluntarily. Until the 1980s, most Hong Kong underground sex establishments were run by gangsters.[8] During the 1990s, however, Hong Kong saw a massive shift in the form of prostitution. There was an influx of "northern girls" (Chinese: 北姑) from mainland China who worked as prostitutes illegally in Hong Kong on their short tourist visas;[9] local voluntary prostitutes also increased dramatically in number. As a result, gangsters could no longer make a profit by coercion and their controlling power declined.[8]