British Ship Repairing

[cappy]

when i ist came to yorkshire a young guy came to put a tv aerial on my house ....we got chatting and he is still a friend to this day ......he was not making a fortune by any means ......just a mean living .....he then went to work for a guy making underfelt for carpets .....the rags of cloth were put through a machine that needled them together ....all carpets used this for under felt until the neoprens came about ....he left that mans company hocked every thing he had and went into big debt to buy machinery and find enough capital to fund wages rents insurance lighting heating and stock ..... to make underfelt himself ...he succeded after many heartbreaking incidents......within his factory space ....he had sewing type machinery for binding the underfelt ......for his wifes birthday he got some silk and got a girl to make some seriouslly sexy knickers ....suddenliy all his girls wanted them .....so he got a line running and started bulk making ......to say it took off was a misnomer .....he sold them over the next few years to just about every shop in yorkshire selling ladies underwear .....he was making good money ......he started approaching big retailers the high street giants ...the orders coming through in millions ....he bought one massive old mill and the businnes grew ........he could not make them fast enough ......off he went to china.......made them less than half price ...shipped them here any not up to standard they just knocked the price of the next delivery ......here is the dilemma .....should he have a workforce and keep making here with all the relevent cost or should he close that with thousands of pounds of cost saving,,,,and just have packing done in a small area ......now is anyone going to tell me they would not do the latter and rid themselves of the problems of manufacturing under min wage conditions ...saving literally now millions on the costs of wages heating machinery national insurance financing.......well i wouldnt call you a liar ......but i wouldnt believe you ....now a multi millionare......thats private enterprise and still the same guy who fitted my tv aerial many years ago,,,,,,,cappy

[Keith Tindell]

I can see from that point Cappy, but we have just gone through a period which highlighted where we depended on other countries too much, hence a shortage of medication, personnel protection gear etc, even the electricity we intend using comes from France, now most of that is done for profit, but for who, certainly not for our own people. Its a problem i don't profess to have all the answers to, but then i come from a very lucky generation, where unemployment was very low. When i look back this country of ours has been very good for me, and i would not like to be a youngsters now, looking for a meaningful future, kt

[thomas michael]

Tom, don't know your China experience, but having worked in China on projects, no matter what your contract says, there is only the Chinese way, especially if you want an exit-visa and believe me that is one thing you do want and as soon as possible. Don't even think about quoting contractual law, arbitration, or whatever international legality comes into your head forget it, and if you think they can't stop you leaving their country, they can and will under any pretext. We all have our principles and state we would never do this or that, but some circumstances can change your mind, and your wife and kids 8000 miles away are more important than any self misguided pride, the word 'never' becomes academic, especially when you have no economic or political leverage, their favourite words at Govt level are 'we are one billion people what are "you" going to do. Rgds Ivan

hi ivan cloherty
there was a tongue in cheek meaning in what i said, on one part if i was truely repentant then i would make amends,
but out on the street its not a case where your ever given that choice due to either the other person has started it, or once its said and done then there is no point in going back ie apologising.
in the matter of the chinese i have never worked there, but whilst i was in spain talking to friend of mine whom owned a import export business in granada, i was discussing some new daikin air-conditioning units, when the chinese guys from the next warehouse jumped into the conversation demanding to know what was wrong with china
ie the air-cons well they where more than beligerant to put it lightly, especially when i reminded them that a sum of twelve million euro had just been found in a raid in a madrid import export warehouse belonging to their fellow country men,and that i knew that every penny they took over the counter was sent back to china first thing monday morning, ( a fact that was divulged to me by the bank manager of the local caja rural ) where all the warehouses on the estate banked, anyway the conversation was getting heated when more of these, lets just call them little bandy buck tooth.( just for the sake of a description. ) beings where coming from all over the other warehouses, and they where all quite agitated stating that the chinese where going to eat the ( world,) so did i apologise ? no i told them all to f***k off that my air-cons where not built in china and that later on that very day i would be going up to see a mate of mine whom was gardia civil and he lived next door to me and he will come down and check all there papers, that seemed to do the trick as their last words on retreating was we are going to eat the world,
now getting back to the apology, would i have apologised to the mob most likely, even though i was not even in the wrong.but have you seen what them little fockers can do with a axe.
hope you like this humorous tale.
tom

[cappy]

I can see from that point Cappy, but we have just gone through a period which highlighted where we depended on other countries too much, hence a shortage of medication, personnel protection gear etc, even the electricity we intend using comes from France, now most of that is done for profit, but for who, certainly not for our own people. Its a problem i don't profess to have all the answers to, but then i come from a very lucky generation, where unemployment was very low. When i look back this country of ours has been very good for me, and i would not like to be a youngsters now, looking for a meaningful future, kt

..............well can see the point you are making keith....and agree as now we have to have a degree to be a nurse or a degree to be fast tracked into the police and various other jobs .....but i think employment before the covid was not at a bad rate as can remember the i believe 70s come 80s we had 3 million unemployed .....certainly the cheap labour does not help but then when they go ....if they go ......does this mean the price of hotels which are unbelievably high in the uk for instance will go even higher .....as i could stay in a top hotel in nice on the front.. while charlie was playing rugby for them for probably 18 twenty per cent cheaper than i could in the uk for equivelent hotel ....perhaps i look to far ahead but then such is life .....somehow we will battle against it as that is what makes us humans what we are .....regardscappy

[vic mcclymont]

I believe after the Covid 19 virus has been defeated, many western countries should sit back and take stock of heir manufacturing and supply base.
At the start of the pandemic, with China virtually shutdown, supplies of certain goods were limited, factories which worked on the just in time basis struggled as their materials were delayed or became non existent for long periods of time.
After this is all over we should encourage manufacturers to set up in this country and cut our dependency on foreign goods.
Vic

[cappy]

I believe after the Covid 19 virus has been defeated, many western countries should sit back and take stock of heir manufacturing and supply base.
At the start of the pandemic, with China virtually shutdown, supplies of certain goods were limited, factories which worked on the just in time basis struggled as their materials were delayed or became non existent for long periods of time.
After this is all over we should encourage manufacturers to set up in this country and cut our dependency on foreign goods.
Vic

certainly agree vic but the cost of setting any business up is as im sure you are aware .....nothing less than frightening.....it is tantamount to putting every thing you own and your family at great risk ....also the most worrying that the support from the banks can take away all you have at a minutes notice .....as recently in RBS......the stress factors of living under those conditions themselves are often just not the right incentive to start a business.....but like lemons every year people put everything on the line and mainly lose it.....as for grants from the government what a joke ......and funniest of all if you are succesful ...... strange as it may seem many dont like it lol cappy

[j.sabourn]

#25... Speak up Cappy can hardly hear you !! Have you any ventilation in there ? Money is immaterial its only bits of paper representing what we are supposed to have. The world monetary system is all based at the moment on the value of the US dollar. When world trade goes to China it will all be based on the Chinese yen. Then in theory we will all be millionaires. Yahoo the first rounds on me as long as it doesnt exceed 7/6d. Cheers JS

[Colin Wood]

We produce large quantities of quality cotton in Oz so shorts should be no problem. I reckon any body buying or shops selling any chinese good should be beheaded in the Tower of London for treason. Bring back John Kerr, it is close to 11th. November when he sacked Gough!!

[cappy]

#25... Speak up Cappy can hardly hear you !! Have you any ventilation in there ? Money is immaterial its only bits of paper representing what we are supposed to have. The world monetary system is all based at the moment on the value of the US dollar. When world trade goes to China it will all be based on the Chinese yen. Then in theory we will all be millionaires. Yahoo the first rounds on me as long as it doesnt exceed 7/6d. Cheers JS

well talking is fine but you still owe me 1 shilling and threepence .....and old mary 15 bob....and i supose your round will be at least 7/8 then you wont have to pay.....cheers cappy .....ps 15 bob for old mary.....geeeee

[cappy]

jeez colin but what would we do with all the heads ....lol cappy