William walter frederick joy

[Theresa Gaskell]

Hello Frederick
Thank You for the information on William Walter Frederick Joy. He is my Great Grandad.

[Theresa Gaskell]

Hello Hugh
Thank You again for the Information So you are saying that St petersburg is a Ship too.
Do you know anything on the Torpedo Badge Bar and Star is.
Thank You
Theresa
Let me know if you can read these Please.
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[Theresa Gaskell]

Here are a couple more pages I have for William Walter Frederick Joy
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[j.sabourn]

Theresa you probably know but in case you don't, the red green and white are the MN colours and are there to represent the port and starboard sidelights and the masthead light. Regards JS

[Theresa Gaskell]

Hello Doc
My Cousin says it is the SS Amsterdam I am posting a Picture of the ship and what William Walter Frederick Joy Looks like. I think he is in Uniform but cant see it in the Picture.
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[Theresa Gaskell]

Hello J.Sabourn
Thank You, But I didn't know this and dont understand this. could you please explain better for me. This is all new to me.
Thank You
Theresa
What is MN? Do you know what Port?

[Ivan Cloherty]

Hello J.Sabourn
Thank You, But I didn't know this and dont understand this. could you please explain better for me. This is all new to me.
Thank You
Theresa
What is MN? Do you know what Port?

MN stands for Merchant Navy

Red/green/ white ........ port/starboard/masthead

Port does not mean 'a port' port is the left hand side of the ship looking forward and is always the port side, at night you display a red light on that side from right ahead to two points abaft the beam that is 22.5 degrees astern of midships

Starboard is the right hand side of the ship looking forward and always remains the starboard side, at night you display a green light from right ahead to two points abaft the beam,

Mast head light is a white light display 40 feet above the maindeck, normally on the foremost mast, it shines from two points abaft the beam on the port side through for'd to two points abaft the beam on the starboard side.

At night a navigator can determine which way a ship (he cannot physically see) is heading and he can take the appropriate action to avoid colliding with it, if the ship his on his starboard bow it is incumbent upon him to take the avoiding action and for the other ship to maintain her course

Hope this helps

[Hugh]

Hello Hugh
Thank You again for the Information So you are saying that St petersburg is a Ship too.
Do you know anything on the Torpedo Badge Bar and Star is.
Thank You
Theresa

Hi Theresa,

Some detail about the Torpedo Badge:

"His Majesty the King, and I am very glad to say that he has been graciously pleased to approve that badges shall be awarded through the Board of Trade to officers and seamen of the Mercantile Marine who have been on the articles of any British merchant or fishing vessel sunk or damaged during the present War by torpedo or mine and who have afterwards completed a further voyage on the articles of a British vessel. The badge will be in the form of a torpedo and is intended to be worn on the cuff of the left sleeve either of the man's sea or shore rig, and a bar to be worn under the torpedo badge will be awarded to Mercantile Marine officers and seamen after having been torpedoed or mined for the second time, and an additional bar for each subsequent similar service. The scheme will be retrospective and will apply to all persons employed on British merchant ships, including stewardesses."

This badge was awarded to the Royal Navy and the Mercantile Marine (Merchant Navy). This was in regard to WW1. My understanding is that he must have been sunk at least twice and completed voyages afterwards to be awarded the bar.

I will look properly at your other attachments tomorrow when I have some time.

Regards
Hugh

[Des Taff Jenkins]

Hi Theresa.
The Hospital ship Amsterdam was mined and sunk on July 7th 1944. I don't know if William was on her at the time.
Cheers Des

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[j.sabourn]

#17... Ivan the 11months or so that I sailed with passengers in 1967, used to be asked similar questions, and how could they remember, used to say there were 4 letters in Port the same as the wine and was red and also 4 letters in left. Starboard just used to say think of crème de menthe. If had to rack my brains for White would probably have said just think of Frances second national flag. Cheers JS