hms norfolk.....and sharnhorst

[cappy]

hi hugh the guy who delivers logs to my home ...always stops for a bit of patter.....on finding i was ex mn he asked me if i could find any info on him .....he was a boy entrant at i believe the age of 15 in the royal navy and a chief petty officer in later years hewas aboard the norfolk when she was hit by a shell from the scharnhorst......he in later life was a merchant seaman for 18 or so years ......his name was thomas douglas angus born we believe in hartlepool ......not sure of date of birth but died approx 4 years ago......it is believed russian convoys and believe this was RN.....the family had medals years ago but seems no one knows were they are .....the old man never spoke about his time at sea....sorry to burden you again but know you will help if poss.......seaons greetings to you and your for xmas and the coming year regards cappy

[Captain Kong]

Hi Cappy,
the picture below is HMS DUKE of YORK, Those 14 inch Guns I am sat under, sank the Scharnhorst
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FROM WIKIPEDIA.....

Shortly before 12:25, Scharnhorst hit Norfolk twice with 28 cm shells.[55] The first shell hit the forward superstructure and disabled Norfolk '​s gunnery radar. The second 28 cm round struck the ship's "X" barbette and disabled the turret. Scharnhorst then turned again and increased speed, in the hopes of escaping the cruisers and finding the convoy. Burnett chose to keep his distance and shadow Scharnhorst with radar while Fraser made his way to the scene in Duke of York

At 18:42, Duke of York ceased fire, after having fired 52 salvos and scoring at least 13 hits, but Scharnhorst was pulling away. Many of these hits had badly damaged the ship's secondary armament, which left her open to destroyer attacks, which Fraser ordered. The destroyers Scorpion and HNoMS Stord launched a total of eight torpedoes at 18:50, four of which hit.[60] One torpedo exploded abreast of turret Bruno, which caused it to jam. The second torpedo hit the ship on the port side and caused some minor flooding, and the third struck toward the rear of the ship and damaged the port propeller shaft. The fourth hit the ship in the bow. The torpedoes slowed Scharnhorst to 12 kn (22 km/h; 14 mph), which allowed Duke of York to close to 9,100 m (10,000 yd). With only turret Caesar operational, all available men were sent to retrieve ammunition from the forward turrets to keep the last heavy guns supplied.[61] Fraser then ordered Jamaica and Belfast to move into range and finish the crippled ship off with torpedoes. After several more torpedo hits, Scharnhorst settled further into the water and began to list to starboard. At 19:45, the ship went down by the bows, with her propellers still slowly turning.[62] British ships began searching for survivors, but were soon ordered away after just a few were pulled out of the water where voices could still be heard calling for help from the darkness.[63] Of the crew of 1,968 officers and enlisted men, only 36 men survived.[59]

[Hugh]

Hi Cappy,
With regard to his MN service I presume this is his seaman's pouch - BT 372/1562/92
I would also expect, if he reached CPO in the RN, to have stayed on in the service for a while making him enter the Merchant Service later in life. Based on that I would expect to find his CRS 10 in the Series II pieces at Kew - BT 382/2040. Depending when he joined the MN would determine where his CRS 10 is filed so an outside chance it could be with Series I held in BT 382/34
His Royal Navy service record will still be held with the MoD, that would cost £30 to obtain. Hope that helps.

Season's greetings to you and family.

Regards
Hugh

PS the son can apply for his father's RN service record from the following link - https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military...-elses-records if there is a surviving spouse then records free otherwise £30.

[cappy]

now brian that wasa great response.......the great thing about the site is the efforts made to help each other .....thanks .....i did not make it clear perhaps in my ist request the person the info on was the logmans father .....but am sure hugh may come up with some info on the man himself best seasons wishes to you and anne and bon voyagefor your forthcoming trip regards cappy

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great stuff hugh it never fails to amaze me as to the help graciously given on the site ......i shall pass this info on to the guy and on his behalf may i say thanks and all the very best regards cappy

[Frederick Lacey]

Could this be him....

Thomas Douglas Angus. mmn. Pearce. Qrt. Jul-Aug-Sep. 1926. District. Hartlepool. County. Durham. Vol.10a. Page.240.

Fred.

[cappy]

thats surely him fred thanks for yur help.........xmas greetings to you and yours and a happy new year regards cappy

[Frederick Lacey]

Could this be him...

Thomas Douglas Angus. mmn. Pearce. Qrt. Jul-Aug-Sept. 1926. District. Hartlepool. Vol.10a. Page. 24.

Siblings. William H. b.1924. d.1924
Edith J. b.1928.
Walter. b.1933.
William H. 1930.

Fred.

Sorry for some reason it went through twice. F

[Frederick Lacey]

More info.

Hi Cappy, was 10years not 4.

Thomas Douglas Angus. Born 12th July 1926. Died May 2004. Age at death. 77years. District. Hartlepool. Reg No.J53. District & Sub Dist. 351/1A. Entry No.163

Other 3 siblings passed on in 1990s in their 60s.

Fred.

[cappy]

More info.

Hi Cappy, was 10years not 4.

Thomas Douglas Angus. Born 12th July 1926. Died May 2004. Age at death. 77years. Reg No.J53. District & Sub Dist. 351/1A. Entry No.163

Other 3 siblings passed on in 1990s in their 60s.

Fred.

thanks fred this all ties up ....i think the logger will be suprised at our quick return of info from hugh brian and yourself......regards cappy