Lawson speaks out on Europe

[robpage]

Margaret Thatcher negotiated a rebate based on the mismatch of the CAP to our needs , Tony Blair after pressure relinquished a huge share of that rebate . My question is does teh CAP benefit the Welsh Sheep farmer in the wilds of North Wales , earning a pittance , or the rich Sussex arable farmer sat in his Range Rover , looking at Tractors worth £250,000 . Well I think I know who benefits from That Common Agricultural Policy , The Southern Europeans , The Balkans , The French , and the odd agricultural baron here . If Dave can renegotiate that deal , then I can see the point of Europe a lot clearer

[Jim Brady]

Yes Rob there was certainly a lot of money made in some country's by "farmers" with a little small holding and maybe a goat,I remember seeing this lady author (English) on a TV chat show.She retired to Ireland and bought a cottage way out in the wilds which did not have an electricity supply and for her tobe connected up would've cost a fortune.She was told that if she bought a cow she could put the cottage down as a farm,maybe a dairy farm and electricity was required for the milking etc.She bought the cow applied for the electricity supply grant which was accepted and she was connected up.I always remember her she called the cow "Electric"she was a well known English author but I cannot remember her name now.
Regards.
Jim.B.

[Richard Quartermaine]

For Britain, there is the indignity of common sense applications of national law being overturned by a non-national judiciary beyond the borders. The rapid loss of our Australian manufacturing base mainly to China is there to stay for the reasons already posted. We have all been duped, cunningly, thoroughly and more than likely, permanently.
A bunch of self serving lawyers and union hierarchy with an all consuming greed pretending to be competently running the biggest business in this country. No wonder it's crashed.

Richard

[robpage]

Richard , There is two bodies , NOT connected , we are talking about renegotiating with the EC the one that applies trans European Laws is the COE

Council of Europe


An international organisation in Strasbourg which comprises 47 countries of Europe. It was set up to promote democracy and protect human rights and the rule of law in Europe.




European Union (EU)


The EU currently has 27 members that have delegated some of their sovereignty so that decisions on specific matters of joint interest can be made democratically at European level. No country has ever joined the EU without first belonging to the Council of Europe.

[Captain Kong]

It was set up to promote democracy and protect human rights and the rule of law in Europe.

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Brian

[robpage]

Brian the 47 Countries are
Albania
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Republic of Moldova
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russian Federation
San Marino
Serbia
Slovak Republic
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
''The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia''
Turkey
Ukraine
United Kingdom

Not all of them are as democratic as the UK by a long way , The principle was set up by Churchill and Bevin amongst others , This I believe is as much at fault in the rotten core of Europe as the EC is . How could you have a Human Rights Judiciary with six judges , Ukraine , Albania , Serbia , Romania , Russian federation , and Macedonia . HOW can they sit on a UK Human Rights Trial , Answers Please to Britain's No1 Human Rights Lawyer , whose Husband has never helped on this one , Mrs Cherie Blair QC

[Richard Quartermaine]

Thank you Rob, I have raised Wikipedia and see what you mean. I will read it all and be wiser for it.

As for our situation here I think I have got that right.

Regards, Richard

[robpage]

It was founded on good principles Richard , but a bit like having a Jimmy Saville Home for young Children it has gone slightly adrift along the way

[vic mcclymont]

A friend of mine who has relations in farming was surprised when his land was invaded by Canadian Geese.
Now the law is that you cannot drive them away, so he looked for info. from the relevant department.
Now before we go any further my mates cousin wasn't into conservation as such he was more interested in getting rid of the bloody birds as he put it.
The guy from the ministry arrived and announced that as the birds has decided to camp on his lands there was nothing he could do about it, as it was illegal to remove them.
After much discussion on the rights and wrongs of the birds interfering with the farmers plans to grow crops, the guy from the ministry announced that he could get grants under EU legislation to protect his income and the birds..
Now the daft part is the farmer ended up getting more money from the EU grants than he would have done by growing a crop.
He (the farmer) had sudden conversion to becoming an environmentalist, and worried about the blood birds flying off leaving him poor.
Needless to say they stayed, he received money for doing nowt. He was happy the birds were happy, the man from the ministry was happy and so was the EU.
This is a true story which happened a few years ago.

[robpage]

Basically Vic he was lied to , You can shoot Canada Geese , on your fields , then pluck and eat the bloody things legally under terms of what is known as General Licence , rather than post it here ,, this is the link for this years

The bloody things have a lot of feathers and if you get an old one they are tougher than Manchester Tart .


http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Ima...tcm6-24151.pdf