End of the red ensign???

[robpage]

I've seen them make it back as the gangway was being hooked up to the crane , I have seen them holding each other up , I have done a watch in Cape Town with the Greaser in the Catacooms , No where have I said that the British Seafarer , ( Officer , P.O. or rating ) , was perfect I have held conversations with drunken fourth Engineers who should have known better , and was on watch with a third Engineer who used to keep Bacardi in the Boiler Chemical bottle marked sulphuric acid , and take a test tube full at regular intervals during his watch I have seen a stoppage of tap more than once ,I know a second mate who could sleep standing up whilst on watch , he called it considering his next thought . I have dreaded the next meal when the cook has been on a bender for a day , but when the chips are down and the funnel is on fire from the inside because the Thermic oil boiler has burst a flange and is leaking burning oil all the way down past 300 that I have sailed with , I still prefer the British Guy , ( British in my definition would also for the sake of preventing disagreement and ethnic whinging , include the Kiwis , Aussies and South Africans of British Ancestry that I have sailed with , who have all been pretty good blokes ) . I have been in an emergency situation with Bangladeshis and the best thing they can do in an emergency is to make tea . I have sailed with Indian , African - Not just South African and European officers , and find overall that the best trained are British .The modern computer controlled ornamental officers with highly polished degrees , well I am not sure , do they have the experience that the mate and second engineer knocked into their predeceasors , well i will leave that to more experienced others to answer

[Tony Wilding]

A Mate or Captain from the era we went to sea would be shocked if he were on the bridge of a modern ship, and a Boatswain would be crying at the lack of skills his crowd were never taught, too much faith and reliance of electronic gadgets with no one able to give backup when they fail, the old ways were tried and tested by years of experience, no matter how big ships are built they will allways be at the mercy of the sea, it has no master, and i sometimes think after reaching a certain size , steel no longer has the strength to withstand all the hogging and sagging, bigger does not mean better, we are now very aware of the giant Tsunami waves in the Pacific area, in the mid 50,s my Brother was on a ship SS Beaconsfield between USA and Japan, flat calm day, suddenly a giant wave from nowhere, damaged the ship so much she was drydocked in Japan, ship sold, he said it was tidal wave, but now we know better, crews are so small now, if not properly trained in the art of seamanship , in an emergency you can do nothing.badly designed ships still go to sea, The Derbyshire was one,

[Red Lead Ted]

We have the power to put a stop to this, this, was tabled by euro M.P..S a few years ago and after lobbying our own E.U.MPs it was binned. Sod Bob Crow he can feather his own nest. He has too be bombarded by emails from all who visit these sites wether serving or ex seaman. Let him know are feelings regarding the red duster which we all proudly served under. He has hit my buffer,s with this one. Can anyone find an emai for him would like a word with him if so post lads there are many different ones out there. Regards all Terry.

[Captain Kong]

I have sailed with many a drunken alcoholic Master, When I was Mate I have physically thrown a Master off the bridge and shoved him into his cabin. He was a menace and nearly lost the shsip.
I once had a Pilot who told me to get rid of the Master off the Bridge or he would go, It was not always Sailors and Firemen who got bevied.
It happens in all Departments.
Cheers
Brian.

[Capt Bill Davies]

I have sailed with many a drunken alcoholic Master, When I was Mate I have physically thrown a Master off the bridge and shoved him into his cabin. He was a menace and nearly lost the shsip.
I once had a Pilot who told me to get rid of the Master off the Bridge or he would go, It was not always Sailors and Firemen who got bevied.
It happens in all Departments.
Cheers
Brian.

Brian,

British Flag I assume?


Brgds

Bill

[Captain Kong]

Yes Bill, British fag and British Company.
Cheers
Brian

[robpage]

Yes Bill, British fag and British Company.
Cheers
Brian

Dammit they get everywhere now , and I thought it was just the catering department

[Ivan Cloherty]

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Picture of the as****e Bob Crow

Thanks a lot Syd !! you've just curdled the cream in my coffee!

[Captain Kong]

These animals like Crow are elected by the membership. are they just as daft as he is. ????
Crow and all his cohorts are or were all Commies, dedicated to the destruction of Britain.
There were some involved in the Seamens Strikes in 1947, Billy Hart, 1955, 1960, Barney Flynn and so on.
They had a Communist training school in Liverpool, upstairs in a Pub on the Dock Road, forget which one now, and some of the "Graduates" were taken to Moscow to finish their training in Industrial Sabotage.
Many ship fires of that period were down to them, many fires were started on several passenger ships, fortunately were stopped before spreading too far.
Brian

[robpage]

These animals like Crow are elected by the membership. are they just as daft as he is. ????
Crow and all his cohorts are or were all Commies, dedicated to the destruction of Britain.

Brian

Over the last 45 years I have always been a Union Member MNAOA AEU and EETPU and now retd in NACO , The MNAOA and NACO ( Co-operative officials union ) were like old boys clubs , comfortable , friendly , when I was in teh AEU and EEPTU , both because I was working on a "Closed Shop " site , the union conveaner ran the members , they had an inner circle that decided what was happening and the sheep voted for the slaughterman accordingly , why ? because they got shouted down anbd ridiculed if they questioned the official line . My late father was in the NUM , similar things happened there , the miners were often driven into confrontation , the local representatives used to manipulate the agenda so the meetings ran to a second day , and that took an hour , so still getting the pay for a full days work they got a paid half day off . I always maintained that the Union man should get only what his average member gets , and no expenses for spending an afternoon in the pub . They made it to well paid positions because like the crowd on Good Friday in front of Pilate , the rabble rousers frightened the honest men . To disagree , well you was a right wing Facist , a Bleeding heart Liberal , or a F****G Conservative . I objected to paying political levy , and I think the punishment involved having a finger chopped off . I did not and do not pay to any political party , so why should Labour "Force " a donation from me , just because I want to be a Union member .