Climate Change -Again.

[happy daze john in oz]

Trevor, thanks for that.

Some years back when Gillard was PM the chief scientist retired James Lovelock spoke on the subject.
He had for years predicted a terrible scenario where half the population would be killed off by Climate Change.

But then began to review much of the info he had used over the years. He stated that much of the results he came up with were from computer generated infor.
He had put in info that would give the worst possible result and the PM was very pleased with that.

But he then came to understand the mistakes he had made in the use of the info, just putting into a computer was not the answer, rubbish in, rubbish out is what he then said.
He rethought the way he could use the available info and came up with a very different result, but as he stated, had he given that to the Pm it was possible all funding for the science may have been withdrawn.

[Keith at Tregenna]

"Every second that we spend talking about whether the climate is changing is a second we are not spending on looking at adaptation, mitigation strategies," Science Minister Karen Andrew.

"It really is time for everyone to move on and to look at what we're going to do."

[Red Lead Ted]

Keith, Your absolutely right, What you find is when these terrible weather events strike we must all act and think on our feet address these issues at once, Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of our lives especially the youth of the world. I don't buy newspapers anymore I read them online, Todays newspapers become tomorrows fish and chip paper. Just like the promises to learn lessons after these events, Nothing on the scale of what should be done ever is. And in some countries its washed down the toilet until of course it happens again. Some people still don't believe in global warming or the connection with the terrible world weather events. Like yourself I have noticed we both acknowledged the connection about the same time. We can only go on hard clear facts and all the experts around the world cant be wrong. If you cant sit watch and take in the evidence Sir Richard Attenborough puts in front of your eyes then eat crap and die along with everyone else, Or take a small step to slow global warming down. Terry.

[Rodney Mills]

Trevor re.#265

Read the article all the way through.

Last year, a post appeared touting 500 odd "scientists" who denied global warming. No names, no who, when or where, just the claim.

I research it and like you, posted the info on this site and the long detailed article. Not a word disclaiming my who, when and where with a who, when and where against.

I doubt too many people are going to read the article you posted, like my reproduction they are too long, and too many facts, much easier to read a catchy headline.

Cheers, Rodney

[happy daze john in oz]

Rodders, you have it right there mate with 'Catchy Headlines'.
The total being of the media across the globe.
Never mind the truth, just catch the attention of the public and if you promulgate it enough some will eventually believe it as gospel.

Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story!!!!!

[Keith at Tregenna]

I did think I had posted the below before, checked could not find it hence,
worth adding.

Personally I see that weather is somewhat unpredictable, like rolling dice.
Global warming increases the occurence and/or strength of many types
of extreme weather.

It’s like drawing extra dots on the dice, increasing the odds of a higher roll.

Scientific skepticism is healthy. Scientists should always challenge themselves
to improve their understanding. Yet this isn't what happens with climate change
denial. Skeptics vigorously criticise any evidence that supports man-made global
warming and yet embrace any argument, op-ed, blog or study that purports to
refute global warming.

Best could be to wait and see, lest time runs out ?

Keith.

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[j.sabourn]

Everyone has their own beliefs , disbeliefs , and and some just don’t know or care about the wonderuous phrase Climate Change .
Further. As to basics which everyone should know , and which those who followed the stars and all heavenly bodies ( including Rita Hayworth ) should know the essentials which one learned as a 15 year old.
1. The earth is an elliptical shape ( not round) with its polar diameter approximately 27 nautical miles less than its equatorial diameter.
2. Although the earth moves round the sun , it would appear the sun moved around the earth , this apparent motion extended to the celestial sphere is called the ecliptic .
3. The suns apparent motion around the earth takes approximately 365 days , but it is necessary to adjust it every four years which we call a leap year by inserting an extra day ( feb. 29 like tomorrow.) to bring it back to our calendar time.
4. The earth moves around thesun in an elliptical orbit at varying speeds ,and when closest to thesun is said to be in perihelion and when furthest away in aphelion.
If one doesn’t understand the basics before discussion then It is going nowhere in putting ones views across as to arguments regarding the possibilitys . Of varying causes of so called Climate Change.
One mans meat is another mans poison so to speak.
The earth is inclined 23.5 degrees from the perpindicular to the plane of its orbit, which if it wasn’t there would be no seasons and every day would be much of a sameness .
A usual assumption out side of this so called climate change which often pops up is what is a nautical mile, the correct answer is 1 minute of latitude , which is 1 minute of angle subtended at the centre of the earth by the equator and that latitude.which with the earth not being round will vary from latitude to latitude and what you are at. 6080 feet is assumed to be the average of whateverpart. Of the world you are in. This has nothing to do with climate change but just thought would mention for any future controversies.
and finally to to these just few basic facts , the earth rotates on its axis from west to east daily. Someone standing on the equator would have a relative speed of 600 knots and someone in latitude 45 degrees at 300 knots. A good reason to put your baseball cap on backwards when at the equator.
Climate. change has no real remedies as such .
The clean air act is the only way to alleviate those who suffer from chest complAints. As to saving the world I personally have severe doubts on this cheers JWS

[Red Lead Ted]

John, This has been the case for 1,000s of years, And to be honest mate the one thing that has convinced me more than any other factor is our coral in the oceans is dying. Never happened before in the speed and progression it is at present, And of course the seas themselves are getting warmer there is a lot of evidence that sea is not only warming to record temperatures but also at the same time we are loosing more and more species of marine life than ever before. If you look at it all collectively something is changing weather patens on this planet, No more seasons you never know from one week to another what season your in and all in all I would rather believe the experts view on the subject at least unlike your theory they can back up there evidence. Good to have you back posting John Regards Terry.

[j.sabourn]

Every thing changes Terry. Look at animal life and how it has changed over the years , the human animal for example man is now nearly 6 inches taller than 200 years ago. Maybe someone on site with a bit of medical knowledge could explain why and what service did our appendix serve at one time , just maybe it was another appendage to enable us to use as we got older and had reason To go to the loo more often. That’s putting it nicely. We already know that time and. Change stands still for no man. Who knows if the internet alone pushing all the electronic impulses into the nether world isn’t having an effect on our weather. The possibility’s are endless if you want to think about them. I prefer to look into what we already know about the history of the world as we know it , and not worry too much. Cheers John S.

[Rodney Mills]

My wife and I are certified P.A.D.I. Master Scuba Divers. A level higher than a Dive Master, but lower than an Instructor. We have dived in both fresh and salt water, in Europe, North America, New Zealand and Australia. We have over 200 dives officially logged in our log books. Countless dives we never bothered to log.

We have over 150 official logged dives on the Great Barrier Reef and other spots in Queensland. We have: Basic open water-Advanced diver-Rescue diver-Equipment Specialist-Deep Diving-Under Water Navigation-Wreck diving-Night Diving-and Master Scuba Diver. In total. nine diving licenses. I tell you this, not in a sense of braggadoscia, but to show I know something first hand about diving, coral and underwater conditions.


We lived for three months out of the thirteen years we visited Australia, 6 monthly visits each year, in heaven on earth, Bowen, Queensland. The biggest attraction was able to dive from the beach at Horseshoe Bay, Bowen, just for the price of an air fill, We had our own equipment so no equipment rental charges. The depth in Horseshoe Bay where the soft and hard coral grew was twenty to thirty-five feet deep, and we could dive for almost an hour on a tank of air, if you multyply that by 100 plus logs, that's a load of time observing Bowen's coral.

It was only about 250 meters off the beach and a couple of compass corrections to where the coral and the animals that live in it and could be observed.

Coral spawning is difficult to see, it spawns at night and depends on ocean temperature and lunar and tidal conditions and then only once a year, in Oz between Oct and Nov..

By sheer luck we were night diving in Horseshoe Bay at the exact time a variety of coral spawned. We just floated above and around it for about thirty minuets watching this sight that few have seen. The spawn dribbled out of the branches and it kind of reminded me of those lava lights that gobs of colored oil formed weird shapes and floated up. Fantastic sight.

My wife is wrapped on Face-book. She visits regularly a site on Face Book. 'Underwater Adventures in Bowen". The author of this site is a cracker-jack underwater photographer. And has written that early this month the ocean temperature increased to 31c. (Max range for coral is 27c-29c). And within a twelve day period coral has been bleached and killed. She shows photos of the before and after effects.

Hopefully, my wife can copy and past the effect and post at the bottom of this post. This has not been limited to Bowen, but has hit the reefs for sure from Townsville, to the Whitsunday Islands, Queensland. And I would presume the G.B.R. as it runs from the top of Queensland to past the Whitsunday Islands. The North being even hotter.

Note from the Bowen face book site.

"Feb 12, 2020After seeing such a rapid decline last week, and finding so many corals in our fringing reef affected with bleaching, it is a bit hard to have to read advice of the like ‘don’t get so emotional’, and ‘we like your pretty pictures, so just post that and don’t alarm us’

Feb 20, 2020Some more images from yesterday’s dive. Horseshoe Bay this time. Almost all corals in the area we covered are in some stage of bleaching.

We estimated 90% of what we saw, was affected. From light on top, to pale, to fluorescence, to white corals."


Statements from the Great Barrier Reef Park

"Soft corals have turned bright yellow. This is happening right now. worried. Feb 2020Water temperatures across the Reef are increasing and reaching levels where we expect some coral bleaching is occurring. Spot checks by divers, helicopter patrols, and citizen science observations are helping us build a bigger picture.
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Great Barrier Reef Marine ParkFebruary 18 at 2:02 AM · The Australian Institute of Marine Science deployed this high-tech IMOS ocean glider off Cairns to travel 1000km monitoring reefs of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park, and capturing real-time ocean temps of up to 31⁰C near the surface in some areas.
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Cairns" (End of Quotes)


Some corals can live near the surface most corals in Tropical water live between 60 and 20 feet.* That's where we did most of our diving.

We just deep dived to visit wrecks. Other than different types of pelagic fish and demersal (bottom) fish there is nothing much below eighty feet


Climate change is not all what you can see, but much is hidden from view.

Enjoy the photos and weep. Rodney

#1 start of the bleaching effect. #2 bleaching, #3 a before photo.