Manchester bomb

[Keith Tindell]

Reports just emerging of the absolute cock up at the Manchester bomb. Over 2 hours before firemen were called in to the scene. I will await the actual report with interest, i have just watched one of the inquiry team being interviewed on the TV, and i am speechless . At a major incident such as this, there would have been several very senior fire officers at the scene itself, and only had to radio to the control room to order the crews on, virtually every crew member on those appliances would have the minimum of a first aid certificate. Fire crews cannot just pile onto the incident, it is usually done in a orderly fashion, by what in the fire service is known as a *make up *, appliances i would think were in a holding position waiting to go on to the job. Why were they not called on ??, every one of those guys will be livid, and ashamed for their force. The fire service is the only emergency service that can supply large amounts of man power, anywhere in the country, apart from the army which takes longer to muster, and we sit for 2 hours down the road waiting for the message. There must be heads roll on this one, i believe since the incident the Chief Fire Officer has retired, was he on the scene one wonders, bloody disgrace, kt

[Lewis McColl]

I watched a bit on the news this morning Kerslake report findings.
Someone has a lot of explaining to do. Certainly someone has some soul searching to do, it was 2 hours 6 minutes before the first of 3 fire engines arrived from the bomb went off.

[Keith Tindell]

Absolutely right Lewis, i,m ashamed of that episode, and i,ve been retired for 26 years !!!!, heads must roll there, Kt

[Keith at Tregenna]

There is no doubt that the firefighters wanted to go forward but they were not able to. The discipline of the fire service meant that they could not self-deploy.

Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham also praised the emergency services but said the fire service "fell well short" of the standards it sets for itself.

The report was not designed to criticise firefighters themselves, he said, but to "ensure they are supported" by the "best possible leadership and culture".

Seems a lot of operational systems failed though fortunately emergency workers on the scene were allowed to continue treating the injured.

K.

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[Keith Tindell]

Keith Ref 4, thats correct, if fire appliances were to self direct. on most other occasions it would be chaos, the normal procedure is the fire officer in charge of the incident to call crews in to the incident in an orderly fashion as they are required, something went drastically wrong here, kt

[Keith at Tregenna]

Operation Plato needs an urgent review.

Plato is an agreed operational response to a suspected ‘marauding terrorist firearms attack’.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...arena-14461194

Keith.

[cappy]

###the story coming out keith doesnt look good.......i am pleased we have someone on the site who can perhaps give us the finer points of this sad tale .....they must have been sorely tested if they did know the bomb had gone of .......fire is a frightening beast ....the recent one in russia is giving putin a problem as corruption seems to be a large part of the situation....sad times cappy

[John Pruden]

fire or accident fire crews are spot on? how many bombers have a secondary explosion some time later when emergency responders are at the emergency . its a hard one to follow but must wait for orders? if the commander got it wrong that is another story but commanders speak for the whole of the fire service did he take retirement {before he was pushed} lives may have been saved if more emergency crews were there we will never know? jp

[robpage]

I think one of the problems with all our Frontline public services is the press criticise and whatever they do

[vic mcclymont]

Damned if they do and Damned if they don't.
Vic