George osborne

[Ivan Cloherty]

As a parent we all have exercised our influence irrespective of our positions. when it has come to give our kids a lift up in the jobs market.
Regards
vic

I certainly missed out on that then!

My own kids got where they are by their own efforts, I sure as hell didn't know anyone with influence, mind you I was good home grown material for their chosen professions as psychologists

[Captain Kong]

Hi Lewis,
My two sons went to University and didn't have to go Overseas to find a job. eldest is in a Classifed job with NATO with Nato in Manchester, and the other is a Consultant , he lives in Hampshire as that is where he is needed, he could work just down the road if he wanted to.
He has also worked in San Diego and in Seattle, for extra experience.
So they do not have to move way just to get a job.
Brian.

[Lewis McColl]

Brian, not being rude how old are your boys? I am talking this generation either at school or Uni and just entering the work place,

[Captain Kong]

Now around the 50 mark.
But if they were leaving Uni now, What would Corbyn do for them?????
That Nut Case doesn't even want them to go to Grammar school to get a decent education..

[j.sabourn]

Lewis no doubt you have strong political feelings on the way the world goes about its business be it monkey business or otherwise and you have every right to do so. Others will agree with you or not, at least you have put your feelings forward and your beliefs. Myself I could not put so much trust in any party that promises without producing, I would rather put my trust in one person who I knew would attempt to do their utmost for the good of the country regardless be they rich , poor, healthy or lame. I will say I voted for Thatcher 3 times although I didn't particular like her but to me she appeared the best of the bunch. In Australia when I was working I voted labour as through self interest, today I would not due primary because of their present leader who appears shonky to me, so you could say I was immature as far as politics goes. I do believe in Great Britain however and am totally against the huge amounts of unelected people who have a say on what it's neighbours can and cannot do, and will always believe it was a path of deception and greed and total lack of understanding of the nation that put the uk in its present situation. As for your belief in Bliar he wouldn't be my idea of a role model, but there again we all have different views. Cheers JWS.

[Lewis McColl]

I disagree with a lot of what Corbyn says and NO to Grammar schools is an own goal. I am a strong supporter of Grammar schools.
My preferred Labour government is not with the current leader, I personally would have a Blair type labour party back in a blink of an eye.

[Captain Kong]

Bliar should have been charged with war crimes,
Brian

[j.sabourn]

Fair days work equals fair days pay???
1970 31 pounds a day as mate. Foreign.
1988 32 pounds a day as master. UK
Seen off. Abused. Law of supply and demand. Moan about it. Or just grin and bear it and make for better climes.JS

[Lewis McColl]

Why should he have been charged with war crimes? I have read the Chilcot report. Things could have been handled better. But charged with war crimes no.
The Chilcot inquiry has delivered a damning verdict on the decision by former prime minister Tony Blair to commit British troops to the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. It says:
The UK chose to join the invasion before peaceful options had been exhausted( so should Thatcher have been charged with war crimes over the Falklands)
Chilcot is withering about Blair’s choice to join the US invasion. He says: “We have concluded that the UK chose to join the invasion of Iraq before the peaceful options for disarmament had been exhausted. Military action at that time was not a last resort.”
Blair deliberately exaggerated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein
Chilcot finds that Blair deliberately exaggerated the threat posed by the Iraqi regime as he sought to make the case for military action to MPs and the public in the buildup to the invasion in 2002 and 2003. The then prime minister disregarded warnings about the potential consequences of military action, and relied too heavily on his own beliefs, rather than the more nuanced judgments of the intelligence services. “The judgments about Iraq’s capabilities ... were presented with a certainty that was not justified,” the report says.
Blair promised George Bush: ’I will be with you, whatever’

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Tony Blair wrote to George W Bush eight months before the Iraq invasion to offer his unqualified backing for war well before UN weapons inspectors had complete their work, saying: “I will be with you, whatever.” In a six-page memo marked secret and personal, the then British prime minister told Bush, US president at the time, in July 2002 that the removal of Saddam Hussein would “free up the region” even if Iraqis may “feel ambivalent about being invaded”. It was one of 29 letters Blair sent to Bush in the run-up to the Iraq war, during the conflict and in its devastating aftermath, released on Wednesday as part of the Chilcot report.
The decision to invade was made in unsatisfactory circumstances
Chilcot finds that the decision made by Tony Blair’s cabinet’s to invade was made in circumstances that were “far from satisfactory”. The inquiry did not reach a view on the legality of the war, saying this could only be assessed by a “properly constituted and internationally recognised court”, but did make a damning assessment of how the decision was made. The process for deciding that the war was legal is described as “perfunctory” by the inquiry, while “no formal record was made of that decision, and the precise grounds on which it was made remains unclear”.
George Bush largely ignored UK advice on postwar planning
The inquiry found that the Bush administration repeatedly over-rode advice from the UK on how to oversee Iraq after the invasion, including the involvement of the United Nations, the control of Iraqi oil money and the extent to which better security should be put at the heart of the military operation. The inquiry specifically criticises the way in which the US dismantled the security apparatus of the Saddam Hussein army and describes the whole invasion as a strategic failure.



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‘It isn’t about a lie’: Tony Blair on Iraq from 2001 to 2016
There was no imminent threat from Saddam
Iran, North Korea and Libya were considered greater threats in terms of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons proliferation, and the UK joint intelligence committee believed it would take Iraq five years, after the lifting of sanctions, to produce enough fissile material for a weapon, Chilcot finds. Britain’s previous strategy of containment could have been adopted and continued for some time.
Britain’s intelligence agencies produced ‘flawed information’
The Chilcot report identifies a series of major blunders by the British intelligence services that produced “flawed” information about Saddam’s alleged weapons of mass destruction, the basis for going to war. Chilcot says the intelligence community worked from the start on the misguided assumption that Saddam had WMDs and made no attempt to consider the possibility that he had got rid of them, which he had.
The UK military were ill-equipped for the task
The UK’s military involvement in Iraq ended with the “humiliating” decision to strike deals with enemy militias because British forces were seriously ill-equipped and there was “wholly inadequate” planning and preparation for life after Saddam Hussein, the Chilcot report finds. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) planned the invasion in a rush and was slow to react to the security threats on the ground, particularly the use of improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that killed so many troops, the report says.
UK-US relations would not have been harmed if UK stayed out of war
Chilcot rejects the view that the UK would have lost diplomatic influence if it had refused to join the war. “Blair was right to weigh the possible consequences for the wider alliance with the US very carefully,” the report says. But it adds: “If the UK had refused to join the US in the war it would not have led to a fundamental or lasting change in the UK’s relationship with the US.”
Blair ignored warnings on what would happen in Iraq after invasion
The report says that between early 2002 and March 2003 Blair was told that, post-invasion, Iraq could degenerate into civil war. In September 2002, the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, predicted “a terrible bloodletting of revenge after Saddam goes”, adding: “Traditional in Iraq after conflict.” Sir Christopher Meyer, UK ambassador to the US, added: “It will probably make pacifying Afghanistan look like child’s play.” Chilcot rejects Blair’s claim that the subsequent chaos and sectarian conflict could not have been predicted.
The government had no post-invasion strategy
According to Chilcot, Blair did not identify which ministers were responsible for postwar planning and strategy. The prime minister also failed to press Bush for “definitive assurances” about the US’s post-conflict plans. Nor did he envisage anything other than the best-case scenario once the invasion was over: that a US-led and UN-authorised force would find itself operating in a “relatively benign security environment”. All of this contributed to Britain’s ultimate strategic failure.
The UK had no influence on Iraq’s postwar US-run administration
The Bush administration appointed ambassador Paul Bremer to head a new coalition provisional authority in Baghdad. The UK had practically no input into subsequent decisions taken by Bremer, including the dissolving of Saddam’s army and security structures. This decision alienated the Sunni community and fed the insurgency. Blair continued to talk to Bush, but Britain had little influence on the ground over day-to-day policymaking.
The UK did not achieve its objectives in Iraq
Chilcot says that by 2009, when UK forces were pulled out of Iraq, Downing Street was facing strategic failure. Iraq was gripped by “deep sectarian divisions”. There was a fragile situation in Basra, rows over oil revenues, and rampant corruption inside Iraqi government ministries. No evidence had been found that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. During this period the government did not reappraise the situation, Chilcot says. He describes as “meagre” the results of Britain’s costly six-year occupation.
The government did not try hard enough to keep a tally of Iraqi civilian casualties
Before the war, Blair had said that the US-led invasion coalition would try to minimise civilian casualties. As the war and occupation unfolded, however, the MoD made only a “broad estimate” of how many Iraqis were being killed. The report says that more time was devoted to which department should have responsibility for the issue than was spent on finding out the number. The government’s main interest was to “rebut accusations that coalition forces were responsible for the deaths of large numbers” of Iraqis.

The UK chose to join the invasion before peaceful options had been exhausted( so should Thatcher have been charged with war crimes over the Falklands) as they situtation was still being debated in the UN.

There is not a political leader in the world a charge of war crimes could not be leveled at.

[j.sabourn]

Big difference between Thatcher and Blair. Thatcher was defending a British Protectorate with the residents permission. Blair was invading a foreign country on his own and those in the house who agreed on his false premises. One was legal and the other illegal by international law.
JWS