Winston Churchill

[Red Lead Ted]

I actually think this almighty cock up by the so called politicians has its good points, because surely the general public can see that EU is a dead duck. If they vote to stay IN after this fiasco, then they are truly mental. wait till all those granted asylum import all their families, we will then be a Moos lim state, kt

Keith, Yes you and John are right of course, Where or how the German outfit are coming from I don't know, This isn't just a one off Syria has a hell of a lot of people wanting to head west, Don't see any queues at the Russians border, And this will know become a regular summer and winter track, Especially as so many have found a safe haven, I note Merkel is having second thoughts which doesn't surprise me, And yes I agree sooner or later a lot of who they are taking will inevitably end up in the U.K

[j.sabourn]

The real difference between Churchill and the present day substitution for what is called the same is that Churchill whether liked or disliked was a true Patriot unlike the present generation none of whom come anywhere near to make a comparison of. The present day politician is a career person who starts out in life with the full intent of being such, and even goes to University to get a degree on the subject, it is a career of making good money and being comfortable for their own lifetime with the added bonus of considering themselves a cut above everyone else. They are all self indulgent the same as the bulk of the younger generation are at present, have never had to undergo any hardships in life and probably never will. I think the Referendum has been left too late and was probably Planned that way knowing the longer the main body of public grew up with the ease of commuting in Europe was well worth it, times change as we all know, but to discard ones nationality and way of life forever takes some thinking about, which most politicians are incapable of in any case, as they have no experience in life apart from their frequent holiday making on the continent. As said in previous posts a 16 year old deck boy of our era would have more knowledge of how others lived and survived than most sitting in the so called House of Lords or Parliament. JS

[Roger Dyer]

Having read the contents of this thread I note that in #3 John (Sabourn) reminds us of the foolishness and danger of man's interference in the affairs of others. When such folly involves the wellbeing or security of a sovereign nation it can sometimes result in the sort of suffering and devastation we have witnessed in the Middle East. Contrary to what some may believe, this penchant for meddlesome and malicious interference is not only peculiar to the U.S., Britain and France......they're all at it ! Russia's annexation of the Crimean peninsular and her continuing preparedness to promote turmoil in east Ukraine is a blatant example of this practice (though I doubt John S. will thank me for reminding you).

While many will understand and applaud the wisdom of John's recipe for a more stable world it is, I think, rather fanciful to suggest we humans would be able to exercise such admirable restraint. Sadly, the moral discipline required to effect such an idealistic code of conduct is way beyond man's capability and has probably been that way since, in his earliest form, he emerged from the ocean or crawled out of a swamp. On the credit side, amongst other virtues, man is blessed with the power to love, the power to show compassion to others and the courage to perform noble deeds in the face of great danger, however, he is also prey to feelings of greed, envy, loathing, anger, and unreasonable suspicion, all of which might explain an enduring propensity for conflict. The chronology of mankind is interesting, but it is not a gloriously happy 'read'. Broadly speaking, it is a repetitious record of war, followed by a peaceful interlude, often tenuous, that affords the opportunity to lick wounds and recoup before setting forth with renewed belligerence........ ..........I'm afraid it's the way of the species. We live in an age of wonderful invention and great achievement and yet in some ways we remain strangely primitive. Globally, we lack the wisdom and desire to encourage a standard of human behaviour that would allow the people of this world to live in peaceful coexistence. Instead, we must live with the growing prospect that nuclear capability will soon become the fashion must-have for certain countries........and if you still believe Iran is a peace-loving nation full of good intentions then you'll not be surprised when I tell you about the fairies living at the bottom of your garden. Goodnight, sleep well.

.............Roger

[happy daze john in oz]

Roger, your post carries much sense as always. But in the society in which we now live times are so very differently to those of our youth. The days of living as a wholesome society is fast diminishing, the age of the 'me, me' is now with us. Global it is occurring where people put their own needs long before those of the community in which they live. Added to this the age of the refugee and the 'dole bludger' those who think the world owes them a living. The world is crying out for statesmen ,not just politicians but men of purpose and conviction. Sadly as I look across the globe at whom we now have as leaders I can honestly say there are no such men about. The last person that was very close to the right kind of person was our PM J. Howard.