public services

[Captain Kong]

Brian I did'nt bother reading your diatribe.!!!
Regards.
jim.B.
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. Hi Jim
If you didnt bother reading my Diatribe, then how do you know what I wrote??
Just Curious , is all
Cheers
Brian.

[Jim Brady]

Brian,just on previous.!!!

[cappy]

Brian I did'nt bother reading your diatribe.!!!
Regards.
jim.B.
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. Hi Jim
If you didnt bother reading my Diatribe, then how do you know what I wrote??
Just Curious , is all
Cheers
Brian.

dear brian and jim ..a good little contretamps ....but what the fecks a diatribe......does it eat meat regads cappy

[Jim Brady]

Cappy I said I had said all that I was going to say on this but we were all seamen and at times never had a carrot and went through rough times being completely skint and now it would appear that some of us always had it and forget the working man.OK those that have got it now were fortunate to make the grade and are comfortable in their life and good luck to them they deserve everything that they have but lets not forget those workers who are trying to exist on todays wages.I myself is'nt skint but I would hate tobe a young man today bringing up a family.Genuine guy on here John Sabourn he tells it as it is/was ships captain,skint,takes a job to pay for two airline tickets to Australia how about that!!!!
Regards.
Jim.B.

[gray_marian]

#7, I must say John that I agree a pay rise of £20,000 over and above £100,000 + is pretty vile for an MP but regards the nursing profession I can only speak for the six in my family ranging from Nursing Auxiliary to Neurosurgeon. Whilst they have issues with how things are run, all of them are just thankful to have a "job" in this recession. They are also committed to serving in the NHS all of them for the last 25yrs and more except my niece a Pediatrician who is just 35.

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'You people'..Mmm!

'did'nt bother reading your diatribe.!!!'..Mmm!

#15, Fortunately JB seamen don't have the monopoly on being 'skint' and others could take exception to your patronising attitude [not me, heard it all before] in stating that those who have striven for the next rung on the ladder have forever to be dragging up the 'working' guy below them. I think not. Sure you see a fellow worker, a friend in need of help then of course even if not in the position you do so, but, how many of us have watched the ones always with a hand out ready to drag you to their level. The last 30/40 odd years have provided the unemployed with favourable conditions unlike the 1930's in ways of housing benefit, dole money, the NHS and the rest. Seems to me that it's almost unforgivable if you happen to be self employed and have achieved some measure of success. Now the socialist decides you have to become a philanthropist too. The lean years, the remortgage assets and the all round stress sure is a doddle. One or two socialist's should try it, not for the faint hearted.

[happy daze john in oz]

Firstly cappy let me explain, public servants do not work, they are employed!
#6 Jim you are so right nurses globly are never rewarded
sufficiently for what they do.

Here in Victoria the last Labor gov passed legislation that said the pay rise for any public servant, fire, ambos, police, teachers, should not be greater than the rate of inflation for thta year.
All well and good but it did not apply to MP's or their helpers or public servanst within the parliamentary system. As a result we have had protracted disputes with most of the srevices over this.
The system is stuffed for the average worker in such industries, men and women who give their all so that we the ordinary members of the public can benifit. I am not saying they should be paid millions but they should get a decent living wage. The gov argument si thta here on retirement they get a better pension than the average person.

[John Pruden]

I would have enough to last me all my life{if I died tonight}??jp

[Captain Kong]

I havent a clue what Jim is on about making it sort of Personal, I thought all that was sorted out a while ago.
But, I am supposed to have sympathy with a Public Sector worker, who when I was redundant, with two kids , on my own, [ wife had run off with another man, ] Not the States fault,.
I had a mortgage and No wages, they stopped my dole because I had signed on at the Pool in Liverpool because I was looking for a job, instead of their office in Bolton and I had the Paper to prove it. My own "Working Class" Public Sector worker behind the counter laughed and said `Tough, you should do as we tell you, Your Unemployment Benefit is stopped.`
And Jim wants me to support People like that.?
When I had my leg crushed in the Gulf, bones splintered and flesh ripped off, on crutches, I had to see Two Public Sector Workers, who said "No Sickness Benefit for you, You can sit at a desk and work"
I was off work for Nine Months, again with two lads at school and a Mortgage and No sick pay.
And Jim wants me to support animals like that?.
I soon realised that the only people to stab me in the back were Public Sector Workers.
And Jim wants me to support people like that?
The Unions never did anything at all.
same old story,"Sorry lad, me hands are tied. give us yer Subs."
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Everyman is in charge of his own destiny.
I lived in a slum, no electric, just one gas mantle, three to a bed in a bug infested hovel, a midden down the yard, one cold water tap in the `house`.
They do not know what Poverty is today. If a kid does not have an I-PAD, he is in poverty , a load of crap. then I lived for 25 years in a Council House. Been unemployed many times.
I have been there, done it, and decided there is only one way out. I took charge of my destiny and yes I am comfortable, but it was my own sweat and hard graft, my own sacrifices, that got me where I am. I owe No One and appologise to No One.
and if I can do it, so can everyone else who is fit and healthy. . [ excepting the ones who really are unable to, due to sickness, or disabilities etc.]
So young Jim lad, stop whining about the so called working classes who do not want to work, who smoke ciggies at £8,50 a packet and sup ale every day down the alehouse whilst making the Landlord rich and themselves poorer, and for the Unions who also make themselves Rich at the expence of the workers..
Have a nice day
Cheers
Brian

[Ivan Cloherty]

Well I for one don't feel guilty for having what I have, not a lot compared to others, I worked for sixty years nearly to the day, people employed by me were paid well above, and I mean well above, the standard rate, and still wanted more, making that part of the business unprofitable, was their greed that made me close it down. Had to sell my house to survive and still down sizing all the time to survive to this day, then virtually starting all over again, then getting kicked in the nuts when my young fit wife died from cancer and didn't even smoke or drink, leaving with a business to run, other employees to think about and my kids to console and stay sane

I worked abroad for nearly eight years, paid all my stamps during my absence, came home and couldn't get unemployment benefit, the illegals who came over on the ferries got housed and spending money the same day.

I have very little sympathy for today's moaners, they think they are hard done by, try getting bombed out three times by the Germans, getting shoved around the country with a label tied to your coat and a gas mask in a cardboard box, then living in a condemned cottage with no facilities whatsoever, just four walls, no gas, no electric, no water and a seven mile hike to school.

Starting work at 13, and no, not a bloody paper round, but on deep sea trawlers to help the family budget when dad hospitalised for nine months. Feel sorry for today's young and working man, no way, there are thousands of youngsters out there, who work, some very long hours, but their mates on the dole get more, smoke more, drink more, but that doesn't stop the other youngsters going to work, because they are made of sterner stuff. There are opportunities, the good will find them and be prepared to work for less than the dole, because they have self esteem and want to be a role model for their kids, others! well enough said, they have the attitude that the dole is their god given right.

I'm not saying the world is perfect it isn't, it's not right that those on benefits get more than those who work, but when the Government tries to change it, the protesters say the govt is anti-working man, the the opposite is blatantly obvious, but as normal there's none so blind as those that don't want to see.

Well that's my rant over, oh just one final thing1, we never had sliced bread either!!

[John Arton]

Just throwing my hat into the ring.
1. Agree with all comments regarding politicians and Union bosses. They can all be lumped together in the same trough. As a rider, the NUMAST rep. who worked with C.P. in the 70/80's always got a new car whenever C.P. brought new cars for their supers etc.
Teachers.
Yes they work hard and frankly teaching the youngsters of today, if I was working in a secondary school I think I would most likely be up on a charge for whacking some of them over their foul language and behaviour but remember.
AS a teacher of lets say a Science subject, the lessons are planned for the years teaching around a set curriculum and as such hardly vary from year to year, unless of course OFSTED give you a poor rating. So if you are successful so long as you make minor updates to reflect new thinking, then your lesson plans can be almost fixed for year on year. This only leaves you with marking to do, which a lot of can actually be done in school hours.
Now as to pay.
Adverts for supply teachers, salary £160 per day
Class room assistants, qualified, £60 per day.
I leave it to you all to debate the whys and wherefores but I am not going to cast aspirations on any members political leanings, we have all had our experiences with rogue union men and politicians and the ones I have met I would not cross the street to pizz on if I saw them on fire but having said that I still vote in the forlorn hope that one day we will get politicians and Union men who truly believe in the values they preach and are not in it just to get their noses into the trough of expenses and fancy houses.
rgds
JA