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    Fire! Fire! Fire Down Below.

    76 Comments by Peter Copley Published on 12th January 2021 12:35 PM
    An unwanted fire anywhere is a bad thing – An unwanted fire at sea is downright dangerous. A fire safety poster I once saw on one of my ships said; ‘Remember! At Sea, You Cannot Call for the Fire Brigade.’
    I took part in numerous lifeboat and fire drills on British ships. My role in the drills was pretty basic; put stuff away or roll up the fire hose after the drill, etc. However, fire drills on the ‘Flag of Convenience’ ships I sailed on as a radio officer, were few and far between. Let’s face it, fires don’t start on these ships, do they? Or maybe they do.
    Another fire prevention poster I saw in the Mann Island Shipping Federation Offices, Liverpool read;
    ‘Bright Sparks really rather dumb, smoking near an oily drum. Doesn’t he know the oil is tinder? Soon he’ll be a ruddy cinder.’
    The poster showed a caricature picture of a sailor smoking a cigarette near an oil drum. Well, whether it was someone smoking near some oily rags or spontaneous ignition of oily rags in a bin, I don’t know, but a fire started in the engine room of my ship the SS Sapho 1 as we were halfway across the Atlantic. The smoke from the fire was enough to send the engineer and his oiler, coughing and spluttering, from the engine room. The smoke pouring out of the lantern light sent the South American and African sailors into a frenzy, rushing to the lifeboats, wanting to abandon ship. I myself had the MF transmitter warmed up, ready to send out an SOS if need be, had the fire got out of control. This wasn’t necessary, the Greek chief engineer organised a fire-fighting party and they dealt with the blaze. Luckily it was confined to a pile of rags in a storeroom. Although only a relatively minor incident, I really did admire the engineers, wearing nothing more protective than asbestos overalls and a smoke-hood, climbing down into the engine room dragging the fire hose with them. I thought at the time, climbing down through smoke and heat must be like climbing down a ladder into hell. A friendly flickering flame has a bad habit of spreading very quickly into a major conflagration. With flashovers and backdrafts, fire can, and often does, spread faster than a man can run.
    Some years later I left the sea and at the age of 28, I joined the fire brigade. In the nearly 29 years I was in the service, I attended 100s if not 1000s of fires. Fires ranging from a garden hut on fire to a six-storey mill blazing from end to end and bottom to top requiring 20 pumps and 3 turntable ladders to deal with it. From the rank of fireman (Firefighter for the PC brigade) to Station Commander I attended fires in canal boats, cars, hotels, houses, flats, schools, offices, factories, shops, woods, and on the moors. One fire, in particular, reminded me of the fire in the engine room of the SS Sapho 1. It was a fire in a sub-sub-basement of a Bradford city-center office block. My team and I had the latest fire kit, gloves, anti-flash hoods, deep penetration breathing apparatus sets, thermal imaging cameras, and high-pressure hose-reels. I staggered out of the building, totally exhausted, I just rolled over in the gutter, too tired even to take off my face mask. It was then I remembered the two engineers at sea, wearing their old asbestos Fearnaught suits, wearing a cumbersome smoke-hood, air fed by a pair of bellows manufactured in Germany in 1937, climbing down through the heat and smoke to fight a fire deep in the engine room. My heart goes out to men at sea who have to fight a fire without the benefit of being able to call up 20 fire engines to help them.
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    #60 There was always a bravado approach by seamen when drink was mentioned, but they were no better and no worse than what I have witnessed ashore for the past 18 years , in fact I would say they were better behaved with it, or I am mixing in the wrong company. When you ration beer you would probably find about 50% would not even buy it , and lose all interest in the bar. Anyone trying to impose rationing in a pub is going to lose that customer. So might as well close the bar altogether and go back to pre 1960 , it certainly wouldnt of bothered me. The moans and groans you heard are always there by people who will always have a gripe , they are professional groaners and exist everywhere. I mention 50% as Know someone will say how did you arrive at that figure , it is as neutral as I can get, it could even be as high as 100% or as low as zero %. its just a figure picked at random. But do know that any ship would not be complete without its sea lawyers, and no matter what instructions are put out there will always be dissenters and others who load the guns for others to fire. So it was usually more than one. I commiserate with you. Cheers JS
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    Many who took the two cans would save them for a week or so then have at least one good night.
    Good mates with the cook you could use the fridge
    Happy daze John in Oz.

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    #1: Very interesting Peter.

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    As regards the title of this post, there was a film made of the same I believe, otherwise how many have used when asking to see a quack, and given as an answer when asked what is wrong. ??? Am referring of course to a bad stomach.
    JS
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    Although it happened sixty four years ago, I remember oil in the drip tray underneath the two water tube boilers caught fire. The sea was causing the ship to roll a bit which didn't help as the burning oil kept swirling about. It developed into a shut down job and the black balls were put up to show that we were drifting. We didn't have any special protective garments on, all we wore was our underwear and ordinary boiler suits. I also remember the heat from the steel engine room plates coming through our boots and making our feet unbearingly hot. Eventually six of us (engineers) and two of our firemen put the fire out.

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    The only time I saw a fire at sea was on the Tanker Baron Kilmarnock, we had just loaded a cargo of crude for Freemantle up in Kuwait, the stink of crude gas was everywhere, as we were leaving me and my mate were taking in the pilot ladder in when the whistle started going off like a banshee, the Skipper was yelling down to us that there appeared to be a fire in the forcsle, we grabbed a fire hose and run along the after flying bridge, coming around to the fore deck we looked up and saw nothing but a wisp of smoke, the Mate yelled out it's OK, its just the rope burning, it's out now, we run back around the mid-ship housing and there were two fire tugs racing over, I said to my mate at least we can jump on those and get away.
    It was something different to talk about in the mess-room.
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    Only time I saw a fire at sea was in Durban in port.
    On the Windsor and the donkey engine went up.
    All crew ashore apart from engineers in the engine room fighting the fire, and me up on the funnel deck catching up on some much needed sleep.
    Heard the alarm in my sleep and thought it was part of a dream.
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    i could write a book on this subject. i went to sea in 1963. In those days the ration for AB's ädult crew"was two cans a day, per man perhaps. No matter if you had been at sea for all of your working life. A junior engineer first tripper could walk aboard and get a carton of beer and a bottle of spirits every day if he wished. When bars started to appear on ships they caused nothing but grief.that caused the end of many skills the old hands who would have been sitting in their cabins making and mending no end of articles to sustain their way of life. Bob Rowson R785766

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    For those that remember the safety film featuring the narration of Alan Whicker and the song "there's fire in the galley there's fire down below..." etc.
    See here: https://youtu.be/RUMNkGfRrPI

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    Hi Bob
    I was only on one ship that I can remember where you could buy two cans of beer, I don't remember if it was for the week or everyday. Most of the crew did; as you say make things like belts, shorts, steaming revies, ships in bottles or models of same.
    I never missed having beer on board, only got paid enough for a run ashore anyway.
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