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    Fire! Fire! Fire Down Below.

    76 Comments by Peter Copley Published on 12th January 2021 12:35 PM
    An unwanted fire anywhere is a bad thing – An unwanted fire at sea is downright dangerous. A fire safety poster I once saw on one of my ships said; ‘Remember! At Sea, You Cannot Call for the Fire Brigade.’
    I took part in numerous lifeboat and fire drills on British ships. My role in the drills was pretty basic; put stuff away or roll up the fire hose after the drill, etc. However, fire drills on the ‘Flag of Convenience’ ships I sailed on as a radio officer, were few and far between. Let’s face it, fires don’t start on these ships, do they? Or maybe they do.
    Another fire prevention poster I saw in the Mann Island Shipping Federation Offices, Liverpool read;
    ‘Bright Sparks really rather dumb, smoking near an oily drum. Doesn’t he know the oil is tinder? Soon he’ll be a ruddy cinder.’
    The poster showed a caricature picture of a sailor smoking a cigarette near an oil drum. Well, whether it was someone smoking near some oily rags or spontaneous ignition of oily rags in a bin, I don’t know, but a fire started in the engine room of my ship the SS Sapho 1 as we were halfway across the Atlantic. The smoke from the fire was enough to send the engineer and his oiler, coughing and spluttering, from the engine room. The smoke pouring out of the lantern light sent the South American and African sailors into a frenzy, rushing to the lifeboats, wanting to abandon ship. I myself had the MF transmitter warmed up, ready to send out an SOS if need be, had the fire got out of control. This wasn’t necessary, the Greek chief engineer organised a fire-fighting party and they dealt with the blaze. Luckily it was confined to a pile of rags in a storeroom. Although only a relatively minor incident, I really did admire the engineers, wearing nothing more protective than asbestos overalls and a smoke-hood, climbing down into the engine room dragging the fire hose with them. I thought at the time, climbing down through smoke and heat must be like climbing down a ladder into hell. A friendly flickering flame has a bad habit of spreading very quickly into a major conflagration. With flashovers and backdrafts, fire can, and often does, spread faster than a man can run.
    Some years later I left the sea and at the age of 28, I joined the fire brigade. In the nearly 29 years I was in the service, I attended 100s if not 1000s of fires. Fires ranging from a garden hut on fire to a six-storey mill blazing from end to end and bottom to top requiring 20 pumps and 3 turntable ladders to deal with it. From the rank of fireman (Firefighter for the PC brigade) to Station Commander I attended fires in canal boats, cars, hotels, houses, flats, schools, offices, factories, shops, woods, and on the moors. One fire, in particular, reminded me of the fire in the engine room of the SS Sapho 1. It was a fire in a sub-sub-basement of a Bradford city-center office block. My team and I had the latest fire kit, gloves, anti-flash hoods, deep penetration breathing apparatus sets, thermal imaging cameras, and high-pressure hose-reels. I staggered out of the building, totally exhausted, I just rolled over in the gutter, too tired even to take off my face mask. It was then I remembered the two engineers at sea, wearing their old asbestos Fearnaught suits, wearing a cumbersome smoke-hood, air fed by a pair of bellows manufactured in Germany in 1937, climbing down through the heat and smoke to fight a fire deep in the engine room. My heart goes out to men at sea who have to fight a fire without the benefit of being able to call up 20 fire engines to help them.
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    #39. Terry the main purpose of any drill is to prove how little one is behind the times. Seriously though it is to bring your awareness into play. Most ships the main fire pump was in the E,R.space, what concerned others was the emergency fire pump and how to start and which valves to open. So those who claimed they were always putting out fires on the poop on drills , in actual fact would probably be the main pump . Starting the emergency pump in reality you were probably attempting to fight a fire in the E.R. But the purpose of a drill is to make you aware . The emergency fire pump was usually sited well away from the E.R. As regards boat drills the most important job to my thinking was to he who was designated to put the boat plugs in .God help him if he forgot where they were. Cheers JS
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    The system for drills in Shell was that fire drills would usually involve tackling a certain scenario, but also each senior watch keeper would be detailed to train crew members in all the various bits of kit available, so for example, the full crew would be divided up into groups and they would be rotated each drill. The training would cover use of BA sets, extinguishers, starting the emergency fire pump up fora'rd, first aid etc.
    So eventually everyone would have had some instruction of all the kit.
    With regard to fire pumps, as far as I can recall the emergency fire pump should be capable of supplying either two or three hydrants, not always achieved if the vessel was in ballast.
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    snow all gone john .....but not the last by all account ......old bones dont like the damp weather at the moment take the dog for a walk ...and aching like ive done 5 rounds....cant wait for spring ......get down to france in the warm dry weather ....see charlie......had my moan for the day shall go and harrass patricia....tomorrow will be a good day.......cappy

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    only ever saw a fire drill on tankers but none on coastal tanker .....never on any other vessel ......used to have one in my factory after fire brigade called and the folk loved the 10 minute or so break and change of routine...fortunately no fire ever ......R683532

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    #38 How would I know the answer to that John, concerning dealing with a deep seated fire in a container? I would have thought the best form of attack would have been boundary cooling, I assume you are aware of what Boundary cooling is. My last 20years I was sailing on Gas tankers. Perhaps the working environment that engineers and engine room crew worked in likely was a reason they might have enjoyed a few to many cold beers after watch. Engine rooms tend to be on the warm side. Red sea in summer 40 degrees + as I am sure the Galley &
    Steam laundry you may have worked in during your days at sea tended to get pretty uncomfortable s well. Describe being under the influence of alcohol? The 2 or 3 beer daily issue saved up over the week for a weekend session ? even some drinking their daily issue could have been over the legal limit. It would appear that going up the road for a night out and coming back onboard after a few pints and turning in is not being counted as being under the influence of Alcohol. Simple maths 20% of 45(crew) = 9. So you have say the following go up the road or stay onboard for that matter and have a few drinks. You have the Captain , C/Eng, 2nd Mate, 3rd Eng, 5th Eng, 2nd Electrician , Radio officer , 2nd Cook , Eng room oiler, a steward , an AB an OS or any other ranks for that matter have been up the road and had 3 beers + they are legally over the limit. It amazes me John that you say you have never seen anyone under the influence of drink during your time at sea. Were you an officers steward? old mans tiger? and you have never seen a Captain or C/Eng carrying a few Gins under their belt? Perhaps it was down to ship design and split accommodation, Midship and Aft. Those who lived Aft were not aware as to what went on Mid ships? Well if that is the case I am shocked and stunned. Seafarers world wide have always had a reputation but being heavy drinkers or perhaps it was just the 60's 70's, 80's 90's 00's generation had the drink problems. FWE.

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    Used to be logged as Fire muster and boat drill or Boat drill and fire muster, or Boat and fire muster or Boat and Fire Drill. Think the entry was required once a fortnight.
    Accomodation and food stores inspection think was once a week. And usual comments was satisfactory. Unless obvious faults found and food having to be dumped.
    That would have been the time to point out your cockroach In The pickle jar Cappy. And the cook could have cooked it for tea before it went off. It didn’t have to be a ceremonial affair the master could deputise someone to do it. Maybe you slept through it , and someone didn’t want to bother you. Especially if had a hard night on the 12/4 . I was on a ship for 11 up month with condemned lifeboats , someone must have flogged something somewhere. A deratiffication cert.only lasted for 6 months , how many ships were you on that was fumigated in a 12 month trip.? Anyhow fumigation would have spoiled all that wildlife meat. Like your cockroach. What was the flavour like.? Cheers JS
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    Don't recall not having boat and fire drills on all ships I sailed on, even coasters. Always had boat drills on the boat deck on any ship, where else would you have them? Have sailed on ships with radial, wind out, and gravity davits and their function was always explained to attendees and at times wound or rolled out. Fire drills on five hatch ships were held at #4 hatch, unless split accommodation then #3 hatch, on all accommodation aft vessels fire drill was always on the poop. On the cargo liners I sailed on passengers had to attend the boat drills, but were not allowed to partake in fire drills, but were requested to muster aft on the boat or promenade deck(if you had one) to observe crew procedures at #4 hatch. Whether or not we instilled confidence in said passengers by our performance remains open to debate. The only vessels that I sailed on which had no drills of any kind were distant water trawlers in the 50's.
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    only one fumigation john in birkinhead......didnt make any difference whatsoever ....by the time we were off the azores she was running with cockies and silver fish......the flavour of the wee beastie in the pick
    led onion jar was surpassed by the aroma of the green cheese lol as that was on another vessel ....as for the clinker built lifeboat which when lowered sadly while the ship was still at about 6 knots almost disentigrated ....only paint holding it together...whch in turn all eyes were cast upon it .....whereby the sight of the poor soul lost over the wall was lost .........a video would have looked like comic cuts ...if it had not been so serious......but there was at least the other lifeboat to gently lower once the vessel had lost way.....ps and no drink was taken cappy

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    Was the compass bowl checked every inspection ? JS
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    And a clinker built Boat is built specially like that to alleviate the rolling in a seaway , so they try to tell us. Can’t believe anyone these days. Was it still under guarantee. .? JS
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