Clean energy

[happy daze john in oz]

That little yellow thing is a bulldozer. It is burying windmill blades used for green energy. Why? Because these blades need to be disposed of and there is presently no way to recycle them. That’s how green energy works!



Who knew? Maybe the people that make them knew. Why would they let that cat out of the bag, after all they are government subsidized with tax payer money. After all It's all about the money every time! Just like the oil industry powers every electric car.

Also politicians do not want those huge eye sores in their backyard.

Right now the average wind farm is about 150 turbines. Each wind turbine needs 80 gallons of oil as lubricant and we're not talking about vegetable oil, this is a PAO synthetic oil based on crude... 12,000 gallons of it. That oil needs to be replaced once a year.

It is estimated that a little over 3,800 turbines would be needed to power a city the size of New York... That's 304,000 gallons of refined oil for just one city.

Now you have to calculate every city across the nation, large and small, to find the grand total of yearly oil consumption from "clean" energy.

Where do you think all that oil is going to come from, the oil fairies? Well thanks to ? it now comes from our enemies in the Mideast.

Not to mention the fact that the large equipment needed to build these wind farms run on petroleum. As well as the equipment required for installation, service, maintenance, and eventual removal.

And just exactly how eco-friendly is wind energy anyway?

Each turbine requires a footprint of 1.5 acres, so a wind farm of 150 turbines needs 225 acres; In order to power a city the size of NYC you'd need 57,000 acres; and who knows the astronomical amount of land you would need to power the entire US. All of which would have to be clear-cut land because trees create a barrier & turbulence that interferes with the 20mph sustained wind velocity necessary for the turbine to work properly (also keep in mind that not all states are suitable for such sustained winds). Boy, cutting down all those trees is gonna anger a lot of green-loving tree-huggers.



Let's talk about disposal now.

The lifespan of a modern, top quality, highly efficient wind turbine is 20 years. After that, then what? What happens to those gigantic fiber composite blades?

They cannot economically be reused, refurbished, reduced, repurposed, or recycled so guess what..? It's off to special landfills they go.

And guess what else..? They're already running out of these special landfill spaces for the blades that have already exceeded their usefulness. Seriously! Those blades are anywhere from 120 ft. to over 200 ft. long and there are 3 per turbine. And that's with only 7% of the nation currently being supplied with wind energy. Just imagine if we had the other 93% of the nation on the wind grid... 20 years from now you'd have all those unusable blades with no place to put them... Then 20 years after that, and 20 years after that, and so on.

Hello there, how green is that?

I'm so glad the wind energy people are looking out for the world.








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[John Arton]

Don't worry john, scientists in Oxford have just built and proved that nuclear fusion can be possible to provide power to supply electricity to the world.
Rgds
J.A.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-60312633

[Ivan Cloherty]

Any electric cars plugged into a business or domestic charging outlet will be able to have their vehicles batteries drained to supply the electric grid at peak periods, the scheme will be voluntary and owners will be compensated, however we all know that something that was once voluntary becomes compulsory, so if you were intending to visit granny in hospital 30 miles away better unplug your car once charged to keep your battery full. Another step to controlling our independent movement?

[Graham Shaw]

I suppose it is inevitable that my next car in a few years time will, Deo valente, be an electric or hybrid.I just know though that I am going to be one of those who WILL suffer from the so-called 'range anxiety'. Why,even now when my fuel gauge drops to anything less than 1/2 full I start to feel a bit anxious,turn off the A/C and radio and drive very light-footedly,just in case....

[Tony Taylor]

That little yellow thing is a bulldozer. It is burying windmill blades used for green energy. Why? Because these blades need to be disposed of and there is presently no way to recycle them. That’s how green energy works!



Who knew? Maybe the people that make them knew. Why would they let that cat out of the bag, after all they are government subsidized with tax payer money. After all It's all about the money every time! Just like the oil industry powers every electric car.

Also politicians do not want those huge eye sores in their backyard.

Right now the average wind farm is about 150 turbines. Each wind turbine needs 80 gallons of oil as lubricant and we're not talking about vegetable oil, this is a PAO synthetic oil based on crude... 12,000 gallons of it. That oil needs to be replaced once a year.

It is estimated that a little over 3,800 turbines would be needed to power a city the size of New York... That's 304,000 gallons of refined oil for just one city.

Now you have to calculate every city across the nation, large and small, to find the grand total of yearly oil consumption from "clean" energy.

Where do you think all that oil is going to come from, the oil fairies? Well thanks to ? it now comes from our enemies in the Mideast.

Not to mention the fact that the large equipment needed to build these wind farms run on petroleum. As well as the equipment required for installation, service, maintenance, and eventual removal.

And just exactly how eco-friendly is wind energy anyway?

Each turbine requires a footprint of 1.5 acres, so a wind farm of 150 turbines needs 225 acres; In order to power a city the size of NYC you'd need 57,000 acres; and who knows the astronomical amount of land you would need to power the entire US. All of which would have to be clear-cut land because trees create a barrier & turbulence that interferes with the 20mph sustained wind velocity necessary for the turbine to work properly (also keep in mind that not all states are suitable for such sustained winds). Boy, cutting down all those trees is gonna anger a lot of green-loving tree-huggers.



Let's talk about disposal now.

The lifespan of a modern, top quality, highly efficient wind turbine is 20 years. After that, then what? What happens to those gigantic fiber composite blades?

They cannot economically be reused, refurbished, reduced, repurposed, or recycled so guess what..? It's off to special landfills they go.

And guess what else..? They're already running out of these special landfill spaces for the blades that have already exceeded their usefulness. Seriously! Those blades are anywhere from 120 ft. to over 200 ft. long and there are 3 per turbine. And that's with only 7% of the nation currently being supplied with wind energy. Just imagine if we had the other 93% of the nation on the wind grid... 20 years from now you'd have all those unusable blades with no place to put them... Then 20 years after that, and 20 years after that, and so on.

Hello there, how green is that?

I'm so glad the wind energy people are looking out for the world.








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John, I agree with your statements, however, it is possible to recycle grp. My last employer (I retired in November last year) manufactures GRP. Maybe not the type you are familiar with as it is pre composed and comes on rolls 1mtr wide by 10 mtrs long. It cures by reaction with light frequency (normal day light or artificial light source of the required frequency) but the end result is the same. We guaranteed no pinholes or faults in the material we send out and if we detect a fault then the whole roll is scrapped and sent to landfill (after being cured off it is non hazardous). I did some research about 8 years ago and found that there are several systems available to recycle grp, however, as a small company, we could not afford the capital outlay to install a recycling plant (about £300,000 at the time). A big operator could afford to to do this bearing in mind the sums they are generating; so I think they are just taking the easy option and grabbing the cash while they can.

[happy daze john in oz]

Further to this an article today on the life expectancy of vehicles.

Here in Oz there are many on the roads that are over 15 years old, my Land Rover is 17 going on 18 years old.
Some in the region of 20 or more.

The article went on to say the expected life of the average EV will be about 10 years.

[Les Woodard]

Can not help but think that with this attitude we would still be looking for someone to invent the wheel. Lets face it? Nothing is perfect the first time it is used and perfection comes once it has started. The first car engine used to have a once through lubrication system. Just imagine how much oil was wasted then, until the sump was added and recirculation stopped the wastage. We old buggers have had our time and it is about bloody time we let the reins go and let the next one take over and stop knocking new technology with out dated thoughts. Have we not stuffed up this planet enough in our years here. Sure there are going to be mistakes made but not as many as our generation has made for sure.

[Ivan Cloherty]

Les, moaning in old age has been a right of passage since times immemorial and is sometimes called upon to say 'whoa there buddy, do you think that's a good idea' as experience does count for something and is not to be ignored in its entirety.

Moaning in bed during a younger age was something to look forward to!