Historical documentaries

[John Arton]

Both myself and wife always watch good historical documentaries on t.v., especially those covering Britain's history along with those covering the ancient Egyptians or even, as at present, Dan Shows all about the terracotta army.
With regards to British history we are always amazed at the actual written records that exist from all those statutes and laws recorded on vellum stored in parliamentary archives to letters, diaries, family bibles etc. Stored in castles, stately homes, along with all the records stored at the national archives and other archive sites. If you know where to research it's amazing the sheer volume of written records that exist these days going back hundreds of years and more.
Nowadays more and more of this information is being transferred onto the internet.
Now jump forward a couple of hundred years and assuming that we have not all emigrated to mars or some other distant planet, what will documentary makers make of our present day internet, especially if they came across sites such as this where people discuss sailing the oceans in vessels made of steel and powered by internal combustion engines with actual humans on board as opposed to robots?
Rgds
J.A.

[Doc Vernon]

Yes indeed JA
Its funny that I (and I suppose many others) have thought along those lines at different times,to say the least in many many Years ahead there I am sure as is now,will be records of Todays History all neatly stashed away in some form,possibly a lot different from the Cyberspace as we know it now.
Could it be on some far off galaxy perhaps,when Humans may have changed a lot,and would have far reaching knowledge of what has happened millions of Years ago (talking about Today of course)
It would be most interesting to know what will eventually occur on this earth and possibly others !??
Cheers

[Keith at Tregenna]

Can see it now -

Bit of a laugh in reality,

But, the way things are going ?

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Keith.

[j.sabourn]

#1... when you look at history as written and to the future, then the future would appear to cancel all the past beliefs especially in religious history and make them null and void and can quite see JPs disbelief of certain Biblical so called happenings. The future far surpasses all human kinds power of believability at the present and will it seems always do so. Eternity is just that for ever, and man will never know all, even if mankind did manage to survive in eternity which is very unlikely. The extent of all the universes will never be known, man has in the past and willin the future make his own history to coincide with the changing everlasting times. Knowledge in my beliefs will never be all known. We worship one who we believe is so, but man has to have something to believe in or would go nuts. I bought my wife an eternity ring years ago hoping to back my horse each way, knowing it was an impossibility but one never knows. Our forefathers gave more credence to a Deity than today’s generations. JWS

[happy daze john in oz]

Future generation will look at today in a similar manner to which we look at yesterday.

Consider how Drake sailed on a ship so small it is hard to belief he sailed around the globe with a crew of only 42.


When man first walked on the mon many considered it to be fake, never believing such could occur.
In all generations there is something new that past ones would never have considered possible.

Man emerged from the cave long ago, but in the history of the world it was just a couple of heart beats ago.

[John Pruden]

john i have had many a discussion with member of the cloth i as well as those who know me think i am a good person help anyone that has nothing to do with any religion that is to do with me? many have asked why am i not religious i just tell them when the human race stops butchering each other because of on book or another then i will clap the tambourine along with them religion has killed many millions more people than any wars if you are good to me then you have a good friend in return but i never turn the other cheek only my backside? jp

[Rodney Mills]

John,

I am not particularly religious myself, however history simply does not support the hypothesis that religion is the major cause of conflict. The wars of the ancient world were rarely, if ever, based on religion. These wars were for territorial conquest, to control borders, secure trade routes, or respond to an internal challenge to political authority. In fact, the ancient conquerors, whether Egyptian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, or Roman, openly welcomed the religious beliefs of those they conquered, and often added the new gods to their own pantheon.

Medieval and Renaissance wars were also typically about control and wealth as city-states vied for power, often with the support, but rarely instigation, of the Church. And the Mongol Asian rampage, which is thought to have killed nearly 30 million people, had no religious component whatsoever.

Most modern wars, including the Napoleonic Campaign, the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the American Civil War, World War I, the Russia Revolution, World War II, and the conflicts in Korea and Vietnam, were not religious in nature or cause. While religious groups have been specifically targeted (most notably the Jews in World War II), to claim that religion was the cause is to blame the victim and to misunderstand the perpetrators’ motives, which were nationalistic and ethnic, not religious.

Similarly, the vast numbers of genocides (those killed in ethic cleanses, purges, etc. that are not connected to a declared war) are not based on religion. It’s estimated that over 160 million civilians were killed in genocides in the 20th century alone, with nearly 100 million killed by the Communist states of USSR and China. While, for example, it is estimated that approximately one to three million people were tragically killed in the Crusades, and perhaps 3,000 in the Inquisition, nearly 35 million soldiers and civilians died in the senseless, and secular, slaughter of World War 1 alone.


However (again), based upon the tone of your posts and a brief P.M. contact years ago, I do agree that you ARE a good man. And if you and I...you with confirmed beliefs and me a doubting Thomas... are wrong, I doubt you'll have any trouble getting in and perhaps you could put a good word or two in for me. Lets both hope though it's many years from now.

Rodney

[John Pruden]

Rodney i have got to stick around and wind a few members up here? jp

[happy daze john in oz]

Rodders, good to see you again.

I think the 'religious' war theory has come about over modern times, as you rightly say there were no similar wars in times past.

But the generation of toady may not think about such and see wars in the mid east with Jew against Arab and consider that there is the problem, different religion.

The nid east in particular way back in Biblical times did have an element of religious conflict which many now refer to.

[John Pruden]

lads to many in the middle east the crusades are still going on and we are still the infidel most pray to the teachings of one book and best part of them cant even read or write but want to kill as we are finding out? we came through the ranks of animals to be human and in my estimation its we that are the worst animal that ever walked this earth? just my view jp