Israel

[j.sabourn]

I wonder today with all the palaver put out about modern day Israel how many are aware of Israels past history taken from the Old Testament and in existence long before most nations even existed. As regards the Temple Mount most arguments come back to, to my knowledge and could be wrong but was the original site of Solomons Temple which was built before the musthaem religion was ever invented. The original temple was destroyed by the Babylonians ( modern day Iran) later the same as the survivors escaping from Egypt much much earlier, the King of Babylon released the members of the 12 tribes of Judaea to return to Israel and they then rebuilt the Temple. Sometime much later apparently a musk was also built on or near the site. So according to history and the propoganda put out the Palestinians do not have sovereign rights to same. Also Palestine was formed after the war by the British government who did everything in their power to give preference to the Arabs. I believe Israel will never give up as to do so would be their finish as a people. Hitler and his cronies did his utmost to commit the biggest evil in modern history by murdering many, they and the world should never forget, there are others today who wish and have stated they seek the same results. The Old Testament is I believe the oldest book known to man, and the religions Hebrew, Christianity and mooslim all give lip service to the basics contained therein. What they have to fight about only their Gods know. The recent aggro against aljazeero by certain Middle East countries I saw coming as soon as they opened their news screens to all and sundry for every tom dick and harry to put up what they thought of certain countries policy's. It would have been the last straw to many Middle East countries who have different ideas on democracy. Their editors must have known this when they adopted the attitude they did. JWS

[Des Taff Jenkins]

Hi John.
I often wonder if the Israeli's ever compare what they are doing too the Palestinian's too what the Germans did too them in in Warsaw, created a Ghetto and then slowly exterminated them.
Just my thought.
Cheers Des

[happy daze john in oz]

There will never be peace in that part of the world until Israel allows Palestine to exist.

The Bible mentions the Palestinians so at some time they were there.

It was after WW2 that the agreement between a number of nations allowed, chaired by Churchill I believe allowed the state of Israel to come into being as it is now.

[vic mcclymont]

John, Palestine receives loads of money in grants for the EU but is quite content to keep its people in poverty and invest the majority of the funds in guns and materials of destruction.
Vic

[Lewis McColl]

The school I went to in N Ireland had a lot of Jewish kids in it. They would never mix , join in, and kept themselves to themselves. You could never make a friend out of any of them. They thought they were something special and were treated with kid gloves by the teachers. Oh and they were all N Ireland or UK born.
My mum worked in a Shirt factory in Belfast which was jewish owned, it was a sweat shop, sorry but have no time for these people.

It is a problem in the UK government they practically run the country. Below is a list of Jewish MP's and those who are or have been in the Commons or the House of Lords. I have no doubt I will get a load of abuse for posting this but I am sure there will be a counter post listing all the other Musli-s who are now in the Goverment.

2000–present[edit]
Jonathan Djanogly (2001–present), Conservative MP
Paul Goodman (2001-2010) Conservative MP
David Miliband (2001-2013) Labour MP
Lynne Featherstone (2005-2015), Liberal Democrat MP[47]
Susan Kramer (2005-2010), Liberal Democrat MP
Ed Miliband (2005–present), Labour MP and former Leader of the Labour Party
Brooks Newmark (2005-2015) Conservative MP
Lee Scott (2005-2015),[48] Conservative MP
Grant Shapps (2005–present), Conservative MP
Luciana Berger (2010–present),[49] Labour MP
Michael Ellis (2010–present), Conservative MP
Robert Halfon (2010–present), Conservative MP
Zac Goldsmith (2010-2016 & 2017-present), Conservative MP
Dominic Raab (2010–present), Conservative MP
Julian Huppert (2010-2015) Liberal Democrat MP
Andrew Percy (2010–present), Conservative MP
Ruth Smeeth (2015–present), Labour MP
Lucy Frazer (2015–present), Conservative MP
Alex Sobel (2017-present), Labour MP

Peers[edit]
David Alliance, Baron Alliance Liberal Democrats
Irwin Bellow, Baron Bellwin Conservative
Jeremy Beecham, Baron Beecham Labour
Max Beloff, Baron Beloff Conservative
Alexander Bernstein, Baron Bernstein of Craigweil Labour
Sidney Bernstein, Baron Bernstein Labour
Alma Birk, Baroness Birk,[50] Labour
John Browne, Baron Browne of Madingley Crossbench
Ruth Deech, Baroness Deech Crossbench
Bernard Delfont, Baron Delfont Labour
Joseph Duveen, 1st Baron Duveen Crossbench
Andrew Feldman, Baron Feldman of Elstree, Conservative
Basil Feldman, Baron Feldman Conservative,
Lynne Featherstone, Baroness Featherstone Liberal Democrats
Daniel Finkelstein, Baron Finkelstein Conservative
Samuel Fisher, Baron Fisher of Camden Labour
David Freud, Baron Freud, Conservative
Henry Cohen, 1st Baron Cohen of Birkenhead Crossbench
Dora Gaitskell, Baroness Gaitskell Labour
Anna Gaitskell, Baroness Gaitskell,[50] Labour
Robert Gavron, Baron Gavron, Labour
Maurice Glasman, Baron Glasman Labour
David Gold, Baron Gold Conservative
Peter Goldsmith, Baron Goldsmith,[51][52] Labour
Arnold Goodman, Baron Goodman,[53] Labour
Anthony Grabiner, Baron Grabiner Labour
Desmond Hirshfield, Baron Hirshfield Labour
Gerald Isaacs, 2nd Marquess of Reading Conservative
Sydney Jacobson, Baron Jacobson, Crossbench [54]
Immanuel Jakobovits, Baron Jakobovits Crossbench
Peter Levene, Baron Levene of Portsoken Crossbench
Michael Levy, Baron Levy[55] Labour
Edward Levy-Lawson, 1st Baron Burnham, Crossbench
Richard Kahn, Baron Kahn, Crossbench
Jonathan Kestenbaum, Baron Kestenbaum, Labour
Stormont Mancroft, 2nd Baron Mancroft, Conservative
Benjamin Mancroft, 3rd Baron Mancroft, Conservative
Peter Mandelson, Baron Mandelson, Labour
Peter Mond, 4th Baron Melchett, Labour
Victor Mishcon, Baron Mishcon, Labour
Roger Nathan, 2nd Baron Nathan, Crossbench
Julia Neuberger, Baroness Neuberger, Crossbench
David Neuberger, Baron Neuberger of Abbotsbury, Crossbench
David Pannick, Baron Pannick Crossbench
Maurice Peston, Baron Peston of Mile End ,[56] Labour
Beatrice Plummer, Baroness Plummer,[50] Labour
Stuart Polak, Baron Polak Conservative
Victor Rothschild, 3rd Baron Rothschild Labour
Jonathan Sacks, Baron Sacks, Crossbench
Marcus Samuel, 1st Viscount Bearsted Conservative
Walter Samuel, 2nd Viscount Bearsted Conservative
Beatrice Serota, Baroness Serota,[50] Labour
Herbert Stern, 1st Baron Michelham Conservative
Leonard Steinberg, Baron Steinberg Conservative
Alan Sugar, Baron Sugar, Crossbench
David Triesman, Baron Triesman Labour
Leslie Turnberg, Baron Turnberg, Labour
Leonard Wolfson, Baron Wolfson[17] Conservative
Harry Woolf, Baron Woolf,[57] Crossbench
David Young, Baron Young of Graffham, Conservative
See also[edit]

Here is a name some may be familiar with

Jeffrey Sterling, Baron Sterling of Plaistow( the man that sold out British seafarers when he was the big gun at P&O)

[j.sabourn]

#3 Think Lord Balfour had his finger in pie as can recollect reference to the Balfour agreement. Jws