The Perfect Storm??

[happy daze john in oz]

Glen whilst I can se your point about climate change I believe too much is being written in to it. I attended a seminar last year about the beginings of the universe. The comment about climate change was brought up, the professor running the seminar made it very clear to all that climate change is a natural part of our planets life cycle. It has been going on since the universe began and without it our planet would still be a ball of gas rolling around in space. Much if not most of the scare tatics regarding the climate have been generated by various governments around the globe, most for their own political gain.

[Captain Kong]

Hi Glen,
I agree with John.
Climate change has been up and down for millions of years since time began.
A storm that wrecked a load of wooden homes, in a very densley populated area, and brought down power lines was no worse than we have had over this side of the Atlantic.
The storm Sandy just happened to be unusual in the fact that the seasonal hurricane instead of fading out on its way across the Atlantic was stopped by a ridge of High Pressure over Greenland, thus diverting it to the west where it became compressed by a cold front blowing down from Canada, simple.
around 40 to 50 people killed, OK that was bad for them BUT . We have had it worse over here,
60 Years ago come January in 1953 we had a major hurricane, 120 knots, I was in it searching for survivors of the Princess Victoria sinking. 133 dead, The storm surge then went down the North Sea and washed away houses on the East Coast of England and up the Thames flooding Canvy Island , killing around 300 people, then it breached all the dykes in Holland, and Germany up to Hamburg, killing a total of 3,000 people, Now that was a storm far worse than Sandy.
In the 1890s a great storm went down the North Sea and sank hundreds of Fishing boats, hundreds of men drowned but does anyone remember that ? No. a freak gale on February 8 & 9, 1889
On the Brent Field at the top of the North Sea the highest wind speed was recorded at 210 Knots. but no houses to knock down, so no one interested.
It happens simple as that.
The Greens use the excuse of "Global Warming" to bang up my taxes. Not one of those Greens in Parliament have ever experienced a hurricane But they know it all.
Cheers
Brian.

[Captain Kong]

Here is the song that remembers the hundreds of Seamen drowned in the North Sea Gale of 1893
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.Three Score And Ten - Johnny McEvoy - www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_za7EkIcnU.
Brian.

[Glenn Baker]

Im not too worried about your views at all about global warming to be honest simply because it is my view, im not a member of any Grenn Organisation or any Radical World change movement.
Would you buy anything off any body who said climate change is a conspiracy against Capitalism.?
The reasons I give are my own and no one elses.

This planet is in deep trouble, its been mined and drilled, and nobody has given a damn as to the upkeep of the planet and countrys that have been stripped bare all in the principle of Greed for money.
Nuclear test in the Pacific and huge underground Experiments have no doubt shook the Earth to its very core.

Fish life and Mammel life in the sea are depleting every year, World food crops are getting less . Russia and the U,S.A, and many other Countrys have had no crops Wheat and barley due to what well go on what was it..
Changes are having various names because people dont like the stark truth.

Somebody even said its nature, well thats the exact same thing as climate change.

If you dont believe that the Polar Region is melting take a trip. there.

If you dont believe that very distinct changes are taking place then check out your local Rural and agricultural departments.

Personally as i said I dont have any trust in Big Oil conglommerates Cigarette firms and Mining bosses who are all after the same thing Power and Money.
Nor do i have much trust in the human Race, i wouldnt want to be in the same trench as most people in a War not these days. You wouldnt know which side they were on.
At the same time as the American Storm the biggest in its history there was another one in Vietnam and as far as i can tell even more serious.
I guess one can only hope that the Worlds population starts getting a brain and learns how to live in harmony , but that is not going to happen and while the planet is being treated as one big Greed train i dont give much for the Worlds population of survival at all. whether it be by Nuclear War or climate change. and thats my view

[Ivan Cloherty]

Watched a science programme tonight and whilst most of it was beyond me it kept me glued to the screen for the information provided. All in all it boiled down to the fact that whatever action man has taken it has had no influence on what is happening to our planet. The only difference man has made is in discovering in what is happening to the earth by mans' scientific advances in discovering these changes. Because we now have the technology and satellites in space we are able to find out more about our planet than hitherto. It was through the advent of satellites that scientists were able to discover that the earth's magnetism is changing which is affecting the weather we are experiencing. Whilst the geographic poles may remain where they are the magnetic poles are moving towards the equator, it may take 10,000 years for them to reach there but they are on a non reversible journey. Mans efforts in what some refer to as destroying the planet are miniscule and have no affect on the planets behaviour. It is recommended watching and is about discovering the origins of the earth's core which is the factor providing the magnetism surrounding the earth that prevents the solar system from destroying us and is the factor which causes climate change and has ever been so. In a few thousand years the Northern lights will have moved south and be visible from the Mediterranean as they follow the magnetic poles towards the equator.

Something to think about. Should be compulsive viewing for politicians, but they are probably already aware of this apparent truth but it will not suit their tax programme(s)

[Rodney Mills]

Oops! Sorry Tony, I forgot about flood insurance.

Some background info. We live in a community that is built around two golf courses and a forty acre lake, which in turn has access to two public lakes roughly 25 miles by 15 miles in size. Our lake has an unique lift system for residents boats to access the other lakes. Our lake is slightly over 10 feet above the main lakes, thus in the case of flooding water it would flow over its banks into the lower lakes 10 feet below. So, though our lake is around 15 feet from the back of our house, we do not have to carry flood insurance.

Now to "Sandy"...A large percentage of New Jersey's shoreline, Manhattan, plus Staten Island and other boroughs of N.Y.C., are only slightly a foot above flood level, and are what are called within 'a flood plain'.

Hurricane insurance (wind damage) is obtainable for a price to anyone. Obviously if one lived in the middle of the desert states of the U.S.A. it will be much cheaper than the same insurance on the East or West coasts which are subject to hurricanes. Water damage is a separate issue and the same rules apply.

We who live 15 feet from a lake do not have to carry flood insurance, remember my opening paragraph? It would be impossible, even with a Noah-like flood for us to accrue water damage, other than rain-fall which is a natural occurrence to hurricanes.

Sadly, the coast-line most effective by "Sandy" is in a designated flood plain. Most insurance companies do not offer flood coverage to a designated flood plain. Those who do, demand high premiums. It then becomes a crap-shoot (gamble)...it didn't happen -until last year- so it shouldn't happen for another 100 years...except it has to millions- plus to two of my wife's cousins. Once again - after repairing and refurbishing their basement recreation room and first floor living quarters - and not expecting a similar disaster for at least another 50 years or so - once again they are up S@#t Creek. (which by the way was in the state of Kansas).

Thus endeth the last lesson in U.S. house insurance.

Cheers, Rodney

[happy daze john in oz]

Glen #44 whilst I do not agree with all you say I will defend your right to do so.
The fact is that there are many things happeneing that we do not fully understand, but this planet is infinite and some day will expire.
What concerns me and many is the untruths being put out by various bodies and govs for their own benifit.
The South pole is melting on one side but on th eother the ice fields are the biggest ever recorded. There was a claim that waters would rise as a result of the ice caps melting. Latest figures show that the mean avarage sea level has dropped by 5 centimeters over the past decade. We were told here that the melting ice saps would push sea levels up by as much as two meters but only around our coast?? No mention of water equality levels. But when water freezes it expands, so when it melts it will take up less room not more.
It is a subject that will devide the community in many ways ,and govs of all sides will use that to their own advantage.
There have been three periods over the past 2,000 years when the average temperature has been higher than now. Roman era, early medieval period, mid 1600's. The average over the past decade has been the lowest since the 1970's according to Un climate commitee.


One more point, this a perfect storm? You obviously have not seen my mother in law in full flight.

[John Pruden]

global warming is part part of our natural evolution look at countries with plenty of coal they were rain forests ? i watched a program about the magnetic field in the earths core last night spreading across the equator? the moon is moving away from the earth the sun is burning out so just enjoy what we have for the moment we are only passing through as generations before? right that's my morning moan the big question is do i have a full English breakfast or not??? yehhh why not the end of the world is coming?jp

[Captain Kong]

I went to the Antarctic in 2009 on a 35 day trip. it was freezing. I was talking to a Scientist from the British Antarctic Survey team, He told me that the Antarctic IS getting colder and there was more signs of the Ice Cap increasing.
I see on TV they film the Arctic in Summer during the ice melt, it does shrink but it is always in the middle of summer.The Arctic North Pole is ocean under the ice and if the sea temperature increases by one degree then more melting takes placer.
BUT in winter the whole lot Freezes again.
I fly every year in January, over Iceland, the Danmark Straits all frozen over, over Greenland, Hudsons Bay and the Great Plains and the Rockies all the way to LAX Airport, Solid Ice all the way, no signs of any melt. The TV films do not show that, only the summer shots.
As regards to the Oceans increasing in depth due to melting Ice. again I do not agree with that theory, I do NOT condemn any one with their own ideas, that is what they believe,
Here are some facts.
The surface area of the worlds Oceans is 361,000,000,000,000 square metres.
To increase the volume of the worlds Oceans by one metre you would need another
361,000,000,000,000 Cubic metres of water, now that is one hell of a lot of water.
Where does it come from.??
When the earth was first formed countless millions of years ago, the amount of water then is the same as it is today. You cannot get rid of water, you cannot increase the amount of water. It does change shape, Ice, Water, and Steam or Water Vapor but the total amount never increases.
The only thing that can increase is Volcanic action on the sea floor when a cone of a volcano rises creates an island and displaces water.
If you look at the volume of water that is flowing into the oceans from Rivers around the world, take the Amazon, how many thousands of cubic Kilometres a day are pouring iinto the Atlantic, then you have all the other Great rivers and not so great.
St Lawrence, Hudson, Mississippi, The Plate, Congo , Niger, Hooghly, Yangste and so on around the world Billions of cubic metres of River water pouring in every day for millions of years, the sea level never varies,
As regards to atmospheric Polution, the biggest poluters of the atmosphere are Volcanoes. There are on average 70 volcanos a year Pumping out miilions of tons of ash and poisonous gasses into the atmosphere every day and has done for millions of years. We cannot stop them, plus countless volcanic eruptions on the sea bed.
So a Green will have my little car taxed, what a rip off.
There is one thing I seriously object to and is the Deforestation of the Rain Forests in Brazil, Malaysia and Indonesia and West Africa and many other places around the world, The Rain Forest is the Lungs of the World, It thrives on Carbon, it loves it and cannot survive without it. The forests absorbs all the Carbon and pours out Oxygen in return. Now I never see a Green standing in front of a tree feller up the Amazon or in Borneo. That is the Big problem with the loss of the Rain Forest.
I would say that the biggest threat to the planet is Deforestation, Not my little car they insist on taxing or my gas heating to keep out the cold.
I think I have done enough now, The choice is yours how you think, If you can fault these `facts` then I would appreciate an intelligent answer.
Brian.

[Glenn Baker]

So what do you think of stupid people who go to church and pray for salvation, and all that Jazz, and fill collection boxes up to keep the Vatican healthy, and when there is an Earthquake they actually stupidly pray to God when supposedly he must have caused the whole thing as he was the El Supremo, so people choose to believe that nonsense, and yet when a huge storm the biggest in U.S.A> history hits them OH no its not any change to the Planet oh no , and chemicals are not doing any harm, and yes well fight for Democracy in stupid places like Afganistan and before that Iraq, , what a wonderful system of belief.

I bet people were even praying to god in a Church after the massive storm thanking their Believed Master for their survival, so which is worse, living on lies. mostly perpetrated by humans or using your own inititive.