Aonother filipino ferry disaster.

[Captain Kong]

Saw on TV this morning views of another collision tween a ferry and a cargo ship. the ferry sank with 200 missing and 28 dead, the bows of the cargo ship were stove in , so it appears that the cargo ship hit the Ferry.
This is just what John Arton was talking about in the other thread, all inexperienced but with a ticket.
Visibility was good, I also presume they had RADAR. makes you wonder what kind of watch keepers there are thes days.
The Filpines semm to have the monopoly on collision and ferry losses.
the cargo ships name ended with ........... ........SETE.
Brian.

[Don Rafferty]

Two hundred missing in Philippines ferry disaster - Asia - World - The Independent

[Ivan Cloherty]

Latest reports indicate that there were 178 more people on board than those shown on the passenger manifest. Can imagine those fares went straight to the Captain and not the company. The Captain is among the survivors, he will have a few questions to answer.

[John Arton]

Have not looked to see if there is any AIS tracks on the internet but looking at the pics it would appear that the collision occurred with the port side of the cargo ship colliding with the ferry which leads me to think that the ferry would have been on his port side so to me that would indicate that she was the stand on ship and the ferry the give way one.
But
decisions made on scanty information should be avoided.
rgds
JA

[Captain Kong]

The big problem with a lot of these "navigators" they think a stand on vessel does absolutely nothing but stand on regardless. Many a time I had to do a hard a starboard and take a round turn out of it and come around past the other ones stern.
They shout and scream on VHF
`i alter course for no one, Captain he say alter course for no one.`. Where is your Captain, `Captain sleeping do not disturb , he say alter course for no one.`
Tell your Captain he will be awake in five minutes when I hit him,
`No Captain say do not disturb, alter course for no one.`
OK , You stay on your course I am altering ro starbouard and keep out of your way.
`No Problem, I cannot alter course.
So a big alteration and a leisurely round turn to make sure he is well clear.

That was a common converstion when north bound past the Thames Estuary with out bound ships.
Now if you have two ships shouting the same thing "I alter course for no one" then that is what happens. BANG.

That was quite common years ago, must be worse now.
Cheers
Brian.

[Louis the Amigo]

Hi Shipmates, An Accident at sea is not a nice way to go,innocent woman and children going about they business crushed and drown !!! whos to blame? only time will tell too common in lots of places'.

[leratty]

Louis will in fact anyone be hauled over the coals for this or as in the main just swept under the carpet with such a loss of life?
Brian I just love " 'he say alter course for no one.`"& " `Captain sleeping do not disturb'" Christ imagine if when we were at sea that was the case? Have seen it so many times when sailing where lunatics think they have the right of way over cargo-tankers both at sea as well as in a harbour, just mind blowing!
I also remember one of your posts when you were master of a super tanker at anchor & some naval vessel was coming right at you they said when warned something along the lines of "you must give way to a naval vessel" & you suggested "well not whilst at anchor" to much changing of course but no apology (:

[Captain Kong]

That is right Richard, but I informed the Queens Harbour Master, he had seen it on RADAR and said he would interview the Captain on his return.
.

They sail amongst us. ...beware.

[robpage]

Working on the Portsmouth Channel Isle Cherbourg Ferry service for a few years , I have seem the second Mate on night watch from the Nab Tower , Past the Needles , ring down with horrendous tales , which were often so ludicrous you thought he must have a bottle of gin to keep him company , Everything from twenty foot yachts to foreign naval vessels , you would often dive back to the control room as the Engines made strange noises in response to bridge movements avoiding some one hell bent on committing suicide under the bows of a Ferry . Although the only one I can remember was the loss of the Ouzo , when Photochromic lenses and the Second Officer took a share of the responsibility . But , even the Engineers had sympathy for the navigators on the Cross Channel routes , they were plagued with potential accidents and near misses


for information , http://www.yosc.org.uk/ouzoreport.pdf

[Captain Kong]

I agree Rob,
The Channel was always full of kamekaze yachtsmen. and FoC, many even without navigation lights on.
Constantly alert without a break or they would have you.
Cheers
Brian.