slavery

[Jim Brady]

Keith,with respect what you mention there is nothing to what actually happened.Look up Irish Slave Trade and you will see that i am talking about hundreds of thousands of people.For instance in the mid 1600's 70% of the population of Montserrat were Irish Slaves.
Regards.Jim.B.

As a matter of interest Muhammad Ali and Barack Obama say that they can trace their roots to Ireland,this was because of the cross breeding of the slaves.

[Keith at Tregenna]

[QUOTE=Jim Brady;100215]Keith,with respect what you mention there is nothing to what actually happened.QUOTE]

My first reply on this was never meant to be a / the definiative: Just virtually posting on what I was aware of in reply to your question: "I dont suppose many of you are aware of the Irish Slave Trade".

Intrigued and will look into all more, thanks for passing on the information and imagine that I will find much that was not previously known to me. Cannot thank you enough, my post as said was re: one village and an insight to what went on. Always willing to learn more and will.

Regard's.

Keith.

PS: If Queen Elizabeth I had lived in the 20th Century. she would have been viewed with the same horror as Hitler and Stalin. Her policy of Irish genocide was pursued with such evil zest it boggles the mind of modern men. But Elizabeth was only setting the stage for the even more savage program that was to follow her, directed specifically to exterminate the Irish. James II and Charles I continued Elizabeth’s campaign, but Cromwell almost perfected it. Few people in modern so-called “civilized history” can match the horrors of Cromwell in Ireland. It is amazing what one man can do to his fellow man under the banner that God sanctions his actions!

During the reign of Elizabeth I, English privateers captured 300 African Negroes, sold them as slaves, and initiated the English slave trade. Slavery was, of course, an old established commerce dating back into earliest history. Julius Caesar brought over a million slaves from defeated armies back to Rome. By the 16th century, the Arabs were the most active, generally capturing native peoples, not just Africans, marching them to a seaport and selling them to ship owners. Dutch, Portuguese and Spanish ships were originally the most active, supplying slaves to the Spanish colonies in America. It was not a big business in the beginning, but a very profitable one, and ship owners were primarily interested only in profits. The morality of selling human beings was never a factor to them.

After the Battle of Kinsale at the beginning of the 17th century, the English were faced with a problem of some 30,000 military prisoners, which they solved by creating an official policy of banishment. Other Irish leaders had voluntarily exiled to the continent, in fact, the Battle of Kinsale marked the beginning of the so-called “Wild Geese”, those Irish banished from their homeland. Banishment, however, did not solve the problem entirely, so James II encouraged selling the Irish as slaves to planters and settlers in the New World colonies. The first Irish slaves were sold to a settlement on the Amazon River In South America in 1612. It would probably be more accurate to say that the first “recorded” sale of Irish slaves was in 1612, because the English, who were noted for their meticulous record keeping, simply did not keep track of things Irish, whether it be goods or people, unless such was being shipped to England. The disappearance of a few hundred or a few thousand Irish was not a cause for alarm, but rather for rejoicing. Who cared what their names were anyway, they were gone.

[happy daze john in oz]

Slavery in one form or another has been around since Cocky was in the egg. Some very open such as the recognised slave trade. But slavery still exits in many ways that some do not recognise as such. The young children of Africa forced to walk miles to get water, the poor dirt farmer in some Indian hinterland, the worker who has so much debt he must do waht ever he can to gain a living. we are all slaves of some form though we may not recognise the fact.

[Tom Kirby]

Recently I found out that the real culprits for slavery were the Americans, the Arabs, the Belgians, African chiefs even The Portuguese as well as the Brits, But it was the British that put a stop to slavery, and enforced the change using the Navy. Nobody ever mentions that!

[Louis the Amigo]

Hi Shipmates, The slave trade is alive and doing very well in many parts of the world today, I came across a slave { A man sold for money } in Cardiff a few years ago his name was albert a illegal from Africa, he was sold and was the property of an Asian who owned a few propertys and shops { No longer with us} His family sold him to pay off debts, so I was told, by Albert he was taken out of the country soon after we started to help , him to become a refugee his owner got to know about that, and he was never seen again ? So please dont say the British stopped slavery ? it is still going on !!!!! Africa Asia and the middle east and China and in the western world. and other places' What the british did was to free a few hundred field hands, domestic servants did not get free untill many years later some not at all.

[Tom Kirby]

Louis the Amigo, you have misunderstood my statement. I am talking about the history of "THE SLAVE TRADE" as the world knows it. This was brought to an end by an Englishman, William Wilberforce "and the British public", who stopped the slave ships from plying the Atlantic, by force if necessary, with the use of gun boats. And saved millions of Africans from suffering the same fate as their predecessors. As for today's slave trading, that is on the conscience of the cruel,unruly and unscrupulous third world nations, who by the way we give aid to.

[John Pruden]

we seem to forget it was one tribe capturing another and selling them on to the white slavers so who is really to blame the seller or the buyer? were we any better populating Australia in the early 1800s and its still going on today in the middle east.jp

[happy daze john in oz]

John so very true. the first persons sent here to Australia were convicts and in some way no better than slaves. But unlike many slaves of other countries they were allowed after 7 years to apply for a ticket of leave. If granted they then became free men. But slavery still exits in a number of countries even today, though it is not generaly broadcast as such.