UK Population.

[Captain Kong]

Thanks for that Trader,
But I did read at the time when he was identified that having lived in Manchester his father who was an Al Queda operative went back to live in Libya, His son went to visit him and then tried to get back to the UK he was in a boat that was sinking and he was rescued by the RN Ship. and arrived back here.

I guess Fake News gets everywhere these days.
Cheers
Brian

[dave moore]

If they have come from Bulgaria the container has got to come through at least six countries,I reckon these countries don't bother to check they just let them carry on knowing that when they arrive here that will be allowed to stay ,well while the f---k don't we just return them back to where they came from.

[dave moore]

A nephew of mine was telling me not long ago where he worked in a ready made food factory that the work force was nearly all immigrants from all over the world,The reason he left was because he had a dispute with one of the gaffers ,and was told if you don't like it there's plenty of immigrants who will have your job .he surmised from that that large companies want them here as cheap labour and can treat them almost as slaves

[Keith Tindell]

One of the problems is we are to soft, if we sent them back as soon as they land, it would immediately stop the problem, its not rocket science, it worked when they did that in greece with the flood across from Turkey, in the end would save lives. Surely no one can rejoice in the loss of life in this way, all from smuggling people, but send them back and it will stop, we just to grow some balls in this country, kt

[Des Taff Jenkins]

I well remember the Western news and people who condemned the Chinese Govt for their one baby policy years ago, you heard people on the street saying how awful, how farsighted were those people ? Here the Liberal Govt stopped the boats, and they were, as they should have been, lauded for it, but wait we are now getting more people flying into Australia and wanting immigration than all the boats put together, around 150 to 200 thousand a year and no one is stopping them, go figure cheap labour, the Govt say's they can't work, rubbish.
Des

[happy daze john in oz]

Post 22 says end them back, maybe a bit late for this lot sadly.

According to our news 'someone' switched on the cooling system in the container.
Could well be the case but who and where, bit unfair in my mind to accuse the driver of murder.

But sadly the UK as a minor subject of the Brussles controlled socialistic state of EU there is little you can do to control your borders.

Every country should be allowed to say, when, why and by what means any one enters their country.

We now have Border Force and since the mad monk, Abbot when PM, brought it in the illegals boat trade ceased.
But every day about 4 to 500 attempt to arrive by air, about 60% are found to be non genuine refugees and sent back on the next available flight.

My neighbor works for customs and security, spends about two months a year in Indonesia. He tells me there are still thousands of illegals there that no one wants.
Indonesia is attempting to get rid of them but no one wants them.

[Jim R Christie]

Immigration is a necessary evil for two reasons. Firstly the capitalist model in use in the UK and nearly every other Westernised country relies on continued population increase for economic growth, that's not a political opinion it's simple fact. For example one of the UK's remaining major industries in both terms of numbers employed and revenue generated is property development, i.e. building houses. If population increase slows down or stagnates then that industry will contract and suffer which then has adverse impacts on inflation, GDP and growth rates. It already does have a major effect on those numbers when it goes through the routine highs and lows of any industrial sector.
The second reason is demographics. Quite simply British people are not producing enough children so the proportion of the population that is over the age of 65 is steadily catching up with the working age population. In some parts of the UK the demographic proportion of working age/pensioner is already 50/50 or damn near it - Scotland is an example. This is a situation in which we are far from alone as many Western countries face the same problem.
The working age population are net contributors and pay the overwhelming bulk of the taxes that fund the NHS, pensions, social services and amenities etc, pensioners are of course net beneficiaries of those services. We therefore need far more of the former than the latter for our current system and socio-economic structure to survive, and unfortunately the only practical way to do that is immigration.

[Captain Kong]

Ji[B]m R Christie's

The working age population are net contributors and pay the overwhelming bulk of the taxes that fund the NHS, pensions, social services and amenities etc, pensioners are of course net beneficiaries of those services. We therefore need far more of the former than the latter ......


I am 84 and am NOT a net Beneficiary , I am fit and active, and I pay £3,500 a year in Taxes, I have paid taxes since 1950, and still am near 70 years paying in./
The immigrants in my avenue, 75% , are from the mid east, do not work, have large families and all on Benefits, and "Heyou" next door to me has Four Cars, one is from the NHS, because he has a "Bad Back". tells me , "This is Truly Paradise" His bad back does not stop him from having more children.

So Who is The Net Beneficiary??????

[Keith Tindell]

Strangely just in on the news is the 39 dead are all Chinese nationals . I think the question of migration, we have always had migration, but of course it has to be done in a controlled way, what we have at the moment is an unknown number of illegal migrants, when they arrive, having been exploited by smugglers for vast amounts of money, they are then used in the slave trade, employed by people who pay peanuts, and keep them in squalid conditions. This is the fate for most of them, not just in UK, but most of the EU as well, kt

[Jim R Christie]

Ji[B]m R Christie's

The working age population are net contributors and pay the overwhelming bulk of the taxes that fund the NHS, pensions, social services and amenities etc, pensioners are of course net beneficiaries of those services. We therefore need far more of the former than the latter ......


I am 84 and am NOT a net Beneficiary , I am fit and active, and I pay £3,500 a year in Taxes, I have paid taxes since 1950, and still am near 70 years paying in./
The immigrants in my avenue, 75% , are from the mid east, do not work, have large families and all on Benefits, and "Heyou" next door to me has Four Cars, one is from the NHS, because he has a "Bad Back". tells me , "This is Truly Paradise" His bad back does not stop him from having more children.

So Who is The Net Beneficiary??????

I had a granny who started smoking at the age of 14 and smoked until the day she died aged 85; does her situation somehow prove that lung cancer from smoking isn't a problem and cigarettes are somehow safe? Of course not.
How many other 84 year olds out there are fit and healthy and accordingly require little from the NHS/the welfare state and pay as much in taxes (if any)? Precious few.
What I wrote is an accurate reflection of the country as a whole. Both you and I could pick out individual situations that defy the trend but they're no more than anomalies.
You are lucky that you are in the position you are in, but at the same time you're no doubt fully aware that at such an age the risks to your health and life are exponentially greater than someone 50 years younger. Accordingly you may well soon be a net beneficiary - as might I, or anyone of the rest of us.
Those are harsh realities, but it's life alas.