Hydrogen and others

[happy daze john in oz]

The world we are told progresses in inovations with solar and wind power, electric cars we are told is the way of the future?
But is it?

One scientist recently said that the electric car is only a stop gap and that Hydrogen is the future.
I am reliably informed that California has been experimenting with Hydrogen powered cars for some time now.

A Hydrogen powered train is now operating in UK I see, very clean technology.

Hyundai have released their first Hydrogen powered car the NEXO.
Our feral government have purchased 6 at a cost of $100,000 each, only problem there is currently only one recharge point for them.
But if our gov is buying them then there is a good chance they will be the way of the future.

In the port of Flam in Norway I saw my first all electric powered boat.
It is a small ferry with a capacity of about 40 passengers.
The electric moor produces 180KW and it has a range of 40 nautical miles.

So exactly what does the future hold for transport?
Tesla has reported a large loss this year, cars not being sold as quickly as forecast, but in some instances not being delivered on time.
Electric vehicles are of little use if the infrastructure for recharge is not there and charging time can be up to 8 hours.

In London aw only one charging point, that was in Kensington and belonged to a car club.

Lot of talk but little progress it appears.

[Doc Vernon]

Yes as said a lot of talk on progress John but little really has been doneto keep these new things going like the charging Stations etc.
I think that although they most probably have role in the future its going to be a very long time before we see anything on the large scale that will be needed to replace the current Transport Systems be it Trains Cars etc.
There will be too many required to cope with Todays demands ,and for now i feel its a White Elaphant so to speak!
Cheers

[vic mcclymont]

The hydrogen fuel cell is he future of energy, no pollution, only byproduct is water, which can b purified and used for human consomption
The fuel cell deliver both heat and power, an ideal way to heat and light your home.
Vic

[vic mcclymont]

Natural Gas is the best fuel for use in a fuel cell.
Vic

[happy daze john in oz]

The main problem is that with all the scientific knowledge out there no consensus of opinion exists.
All with their idea of what is best but very little action taking place.
Conflicting answers to the so called 'Climate crisis', what crisis I cry?

Talk of automatic cars with no driver, great provided all vehicles are like this, half and half will never work.

Until there is one defined answer the world will continue to have a mixture, and not a very good one, of all manner of ideas all with some merit but little future.

[Captain Kong]

There is No global warming in Boltonistan.
last night I had to put my gas central heating on, wearing a woolly jersey.
It is freezing and pouring with rain. today. and it is mid summer.

[happy daze john in oz]

Rob, you have spelled this out very well and as they say, 'hit the nail on the head'.
It came to light here last week that there is no business to deal with and recycle old solar panels.

Batteries for electric cars need ten times as much copper as conventional ones, when the battery falls to 80% efficiency it has to be replaced.
In USA they are now taking these batteries and using them as house hold ones until they fall to 40% at which point they have to be 'recycled'.

When I did chemistry at school, admittedly a few years ago and things have changed, I was told Co2 and Methane were heavier than air.
If that is so how do the move to the upper atmosphere top produce a 'greenhouse effect'?

One climatologist of some 40 years experience said in UK only a week or so ago that the current hot spell is nothing more than part of a cycle of the same, occurring according to him about every 130 years.

We were recently tole here in Oz that the cost per wind turbine, building, fitting in place and subsequent land lines is about &10 million each.

In Sweden, Finland and Singapore they burn all household rubbish to fire up their power stations.
Back in South London in the 1950's a local council was doing the same, and here in Melbourne we have one council who is extracting the methane from the local land fill to create electricity.

The 'Green's run with the hare and hunt with the hounds, what ever suits than at the time is what they will advocate.

[vic mcclymont]

There was an article online last week and not broadcast by mainstream media.
Scientists in Japan and Finland an even some in Edinburgh, have stated that climate change is not man made.
They state every so many years the earths orbit moves closer to the sun and at the same time the earth tilts a little more towards the sun, causing the climate to change.
Course the greens stated the theory was rubbing.
Vic

[Captain Kong]

10,000 Years ago Boltonistan was under 200 feet of ice,
Why did it melt? my little car that they TAX Heavily did NOT cause it.

[happy daze john in oz]

The theory put forward by those scientists sits well with comments from my Compass adjusting mate.
He is convince the earth has moved significantly on its axis and that magnetic north is some two degrees off.

But as you say Rob, it is those who have some gain to make from such subjects that will shout the loudest.

Bit like one of our charities here in Oz, it has come to light that the CEO and staff are taking as much as 95 cents in the dollar from all donations.