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1st October 2018, 04:34 PM
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Re: New research on sea ice
I would suggest that doubters should go to the Antarctic, and see for themselves instead of listening to other peoples theories but NOT experiences.
The Big reason of claiming that there is Global Warming by politicians is, They can Tax anything in the name of it.
They hammer me and my little car £250 a year, because they said the other day when I complained, it is because your car is 13 years old.
I only do 2,000 miles a year, how much pollution do I make on that mileage?
In Lancashire we always had SMOG , thousands of Mill Chimneys belching out thick black smoke. night and day, Soot crunching under foot as you walked down the street, coughing up black slime from your lungs, eyes , nose and around the mouth would have black stuff around them .
Hang out the Washing on the line and bring it in, more dirty than before you washed it.. That was Pollution.
Then in the 1960s Smokeless zones came about, Then Wilson closed all the Mills and had the machinery shipped to third world countries,
And the sun came out, blue skies, and clean washing and a lot less people dying of Lung disorders,
So what is the Problem today ?? compared with the past we live in a very clean environment.
Brian
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2nd October 2018, 06:37 AM
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Re: New research on sea ice
Brian, you are correct this is more to do with politics and money than any pollution.
The manufacturers of wind and solar farms lobby the polis to get their goods into place, very little interest in if they work as well as claimed.


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2nd October 2018, 06:40 AM
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Re: New research on sea ice
Ah well, that's that then.
K.
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2nd October 2018, 07:46 AM
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Re: New research on sea ice
I lived in a small mining village , free NCB coal for miners , you could taste the sulphur in the air , so forget the contrasting statistics for polar ice a cleaner environment makes sense
Rob Page R855150 - British & Commonwealth Shipping ( 1965 - 1973 ) Gulf Oil -( 1973 - 1975 ) Sealink ( 1975 - 1986 ) 

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2nd October 2018, 08:41 PM
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Re: New research on sea ice
These are photos of my wife and me at our honorary adopted son's three windmills in Saxony, Germany.
The first is the entrance way. Inside is a small two person elevator. The journey to the top takes about six minutes. You have to wear safety harnesses at all times. a. if the elevator stalls out you have to hook-up and cross narrow girders to access a ladder to go up to the top, or evacuate to the bottom. b. Plus hook-up at the top. The generator and other machinery is in the top. The last photo was from our son's drone. It was quite an experience.
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2nd October 2018, 09:24 PM
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Re: New research on sea ice
Nice blades in the photos, most of those blades made on the Isle of wight i believe , kt
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3rd October 2018, 06:10 AM
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Re: New research on sea ice

Originally Posted by
robpage
I lived in a small mining village , free NCB coal for miners , you could taste the sulphur in the air , so forget the contrasting statistics for polar ice a cleaner environment makes sense
Rob, yes but in those days the coal was burned as it was, often full of dust and other crap.
Coal now all cleaned before burning and countries such as Japan and South Korea will not consider any other form of energy production.


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3rd October 2018, 06:56 AM
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Re: New research on sea ice
Put forward here in Melbourne last year.
Explanation for Ice Shelf variations
As Climate change has recently been aired with different peoples views on it, I thought a letter in today's paper 'The London Times' from a climatic scientist explaining his views were in line with what is being said.
" The Earth is not a symmetric body, having more land mass in the Northern hemisphere than there is in the South. Combined with the fact that the Earths orbit around the Sun is not quite circular, and that the axis of the earth does not always point in the same direction- Precession of equinoxes - means that, over time, the Northern hemisphere is closer to the sun in summer and so absorbs more heat than the south.
At a later era, the southern hemisphere is closer to the sun in summer and so absorbs more heat. So there is a periodic asymmetry in the capture of heat by Earth.
This observed periodicity known as the Milankovitch cycle, of some 20,000 years is clearly identifiable in the fossil records.
This is the cause of the periodic advance and retreat of the ice shelves and so of the ice ages.
We happen now to be between ice ages, but it can be expected that another will occur, independent of whether we burn fossil fuels or not. " The so called current reduction of ice is not due to this cycle so could be augmented by further higher carbon dioxide concentrations, that is only could. But what I have noted whenever the loss of ice is mentioned, it is usually followed by other arguments that it is only wishful thinking by those making a living in giving so called 100 per cent good advice to government.
Last edited by happy daze john in oz; 3rd October 2018 at 06:57 AM.


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3rd October 2018, 07:20 AM
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Re: New research on sea ice
I would imagine John that with today’s present education the average school kid should know a lot of what you say.
The principles of the earths shape and its passage around the sun and it being in perihelion or aphelion ( nearest and farthest from the sun) even I leaving school at 15 learned this through reading books when I was 16. I think the people advocating climate change are going to find it more difficult to put across their arguments than they expected. People are more likely today to think for themselves rather than rely on what used to be called their betters. Cheers JS
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3rd October 2018, 07:29 AM
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Re: New research on sea ice
Firstly the MGI Vesta factory on the Isle of Wight is producing 80 metre long wind turbine blades and they are the world leaders nice one for the island
The problem with UK deep mined Coal was 1 it was heavily subsidised and extremely expensive and it wasn't the dust that was the problem it was the high sulphur content which we didn't have the flu cleaning systems the deal with why I do not know I don't see taking a water soluble acidic gas out of a exhaust flow is a difficult problem to be solved but obviously it was
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