missing sub

[robpage]

so much for the brotherhood of the sea any help is good help at this time pity if true intentions are for the seamen not the politics ? jp

If I was on that sub with just a few hours oxygen left I would want the ROYAL NAVY looking for me

[John Pruden]

one thing there seems to be no wreckage so the hull must be intact no implosion ? I hope but I must say I don't think they have a chance its to long since going missing? you would think the military would know exactly were the sub is ? just my view.. jp

[j.sabourn]

Have not been following the story so have no idea of submarine type. If of old vintage their biggest problem if still alive will be shortage of air. Others may know the capabilities of the year/type of survival and depth life saving equipment carried. I don’t know the maximum depth where the Davis Lung was used in the past but was no where near the depth of water she is probably in. Today most naval forces have in their arsenal equipment for rescues from deep sea depths which used to come under the sphere of saturation diving and recovering people by underwater vehicles. When I worked for the RN the only vessel they had for rescuing submariners was HMS Reclaim and she was well out of date and so the Seaforth Clansman was used as a stop gap whilst think it was HMS Challenger was being built. This was the reason we were knocked back for going with the fleet to the Falklands As left the uk area with no vessel for a bottomed submarine. The most advanced technology in the world today will be the USA. HMS Challenger was out dated even as she was being built and discarded not too long after being built ,as had a lot of aluminium in her structure which was found during the Falklands do, to burn too well. If the RN is still in the same straits as it was in 1982 , they would have to hire a commercial vessel as they did during the Falklands campaign. There is no magic solution. JWS.

[John Pruden]

john bad weather holding things up for a couple of days but you would think their admiralty should know exact position they are not in times of war I would think so anyway? jp

[j.sabourn]

John as said have not been following, saturation diving was in my time 300 metres just over 1000 feet Don’t think it is any deeper today. The introduction of unmanned And manned submersibles cut out a lot of actual divers in the commercial world. This is where the vessels for any recovery would come from as regards the RN. Doubt if the Argentine Navy is ahead of the British in this respect. The aspect of some recovery’s was for the diving bell to clamp on to the submarines hull as far as I know and pierce the hull. After that the techniques used would have been trade secrets I suppose. Personally sad to say I don’t give much for their chances if in deep water. JWS

[John Pruden]

john its pretty old that sub I cant see them having anything that we have not got and do they really think we would put technology before men's lives do they think that little of us?if the statement was true that some pencil neck put out then lives are cheep out there at this time politics should not come into it my thoughts anyway? jp

[j.sabourn]

Can’t visualise the types of depths where she is suspected of being John. But if an old sub in very deep water would more Than likely break up before touching bottom. If their government already know this have probably written them off already and just going through the motions now for appearances sake. In 1979 we recovered a few bones from a Tornado aircraft which came down in the Irish Sea. Hit the water at about 1000 knots. No chance of survivors. She had 2 pilots French and Italian. But because the aircraft was still on the secret list at the time, the Admiralty wanted the wreckage not to fall into the wrong hands. As said picked up a few bones as well. Neither pilot managed to eject. Cheers JWS.

[Ivan Cloherty]

If I was on that sub with just a few hours oxygen left I would want the ROYAL NAVY looking for me

Doubt they care who rescues them Rob, as long as they get rescued, lets hope they do, how any sane man can go to sea in one of those things defeats me, but thank god they do, they are our best deterrent.

[vic mcclymont]

Apparently it is one Politician rattling the cage over the RN. Most Argentinians have decried his statements and are happy that the RN is assisting.
Vic

[joseph connor]

Just seen news ,its been found, by U S Navy plane when it detected a " heat stain " at a depth of 230 ft relatively shallow i would have thought , but they only have oxygen to last till wed morning , then of course they have to get them out , its going to be touch and go , Lets hope .