Work hard lads

[Jim Brady]

nail on the head regards cappy

I dont know where you are coming from,its seems to me that you have made the grade in the mills and now you are doing a downer on people less fortunate than yourself.My children and my grandchildren are not second hand and for that reason I would not let them wear second hand clothes possibly with some other kids name in their school uniform coat.I was in consumer credit for over thirty years,even in the mid sixties when all hands were working and still people took out credit to clothe their kids and giving them a good Christmas.I can recall women applying for credit,they had to fill out an application form,the question was husbands occupation they would say "he's a docker so I dont suppose that I wiil get it".Nobody can tell me about people's finances I was at it to long and I might add it was hard to get money off me if I thought it was not going to come back,I think I may have had the lowest bad debt rate in the country.
Regards.
Jim.B.

[Glenn Baker]

Im certainly glad i made the decision to leave British Waters all those years ago because judging by some of the answers on here its certainly seems like it hasnt changed over there and those two classes of people still exist, having two classes of society and I might add both classes absolutely hated each other , this was the main reason behind Britains downfall in the manufacturing Industry, the Japanese and Germans realy got stuck into racing away with quality goods while the British Languished in the background too busy fighting each other .

Japanese and German wages were higher and yet they still accomplished superior manufacturing skills.
Mainly because they found away of getting on with each other and all working for the one Goal.

Landrover, and Motorbikes and shipbuilding were lost to both the Japanese and the Germans the very countrys that were defeated in War, meanwhile in the UK the Bosses and workers were too busy argueing with each other about their working conditions when both should have woken up and agreed with each other for the common good.

Ill never forget those pinstriped suited brief case carrying snobs that got on the trains at Southend and looked down their noses at people like me who just wore a pair of scrubbed Jeans and carried a suitcase.

Its the class difference that killed Britain and its happening again, huge money at the top of the pile and zilch down at the bottom and no jobs to offer.
you can moan about people not looking for work, well you tell them where the thousands of jobs are.

Try making people travel to different towns to look for jobs that are not there. just because the British Govt think thats the way to go.

It wasnt the single mothers who passed the laws bringing in their child pensions either it was your feerless leaders of past Govts both Labour and Conservative all done to capture votes
Bless you all my people, for you are the underlings of many past Govts and something very important they want you all to argue with each other because it justifies their stupid decisions to keep the two class system. it protects those men in the Pinstripe suits. all the best enjoy. Glenn honesty prevails

[j.sabourn]

Agree with the post on the class system. Is still there in the UK. Regardless of calling people by their first name Tom Dick or Harry, this is not the end to the class system. Also there is a small pecentage of the community who think Manual Labour is a spaniard. The unions did a lot of good in the past, the principal of same is very good, as is every mans right to with hold his labour, this is the only bargaining point he has. We were lucky when there was plenty of work, my attitude was then was that I sacked the company and went elsewhere for employment. Unfortuanetly the work is not there to be able to do this anymore in the uk at any rate. However to my way of thinking there is work in the likes of Australia and as said in previous post the people responsible must get together and consider what is just and fair and will keep jobs going without being priced out of existance and finishing up with nothing. Australia has a tendency to follow the uk in many aspects of life, in this case they should forget the uk with all its past industrial strife. Is a young country and has the opportunity to be bound by no ones rules and regulations. Regards John Sabourn.

[Les Woodard]

Not in favour of hanging until we get judges that would impose it. Lets face it they are not keen on locking the barstewards up let alone hanging them because of the outcry from the do gooders. So my way of looking at it is if they bought back hanging then Judges would be to **** scared to inforce it and let the buggers of with a lighter sentence than they already get.

As for going on TV and crying poor for more assistance which happens a lot on our crap TV shows I often notice the hands of the women that are crying their eyes out with manicured finger nails that have cost at least a few days food to get done. Just a little thing that seems out of place not to mention having the latest phone surgically implanted in their hand. It is the ones that are struggling that get overlooked. As for second hand clothes well if you can afford to not use those places then you sure as hell are not bloody struggling because I do not know about over there but here they are frequented by rich and poor alike. Who amongst us can say that they grew up without wearing hand me downs or seconds. Sounds more like some are scrapping the bottom of the barrel trying to prove a point. Wages have always be notoriously low for the common worker and was lucky to make ends meet each week because it was the overtime and a bit extra from somewhere else that helped us out hence working instead of collecting the dole did not only boost ones self esteem but also got one on the ladder to promotion to a higher position with a little more pay.

[j.sabourn]

Contrary to what a lot of seamen used to believe that the mate or the second was a b....d for not giving out overtime, this was not usually their fault. I sailed a lot of years off and on as Mate. Almost every ship I was on you were told from the office to only use essential overtime as such. However one company had the forward looking intelligence to try and put the management of such in the hands of the ship and we had a ship management consisting of the heads of departments. Each Dept. had a sum to be used re. overtime. I think if I remember correctly mine for the deck was about 4000 pounds per month. I discussed this with the Bosun so as to spread this sum out evenly whether the overtime was worked or not. It was a good job I checked the overtime book after the first week, he had himself down for 12 hours a day and everyone else for 1 hour. I took the overtime book off him and kept it as fair as I could. This was only one instant on other ships it was not abused by any one individual and did work better than most. My rememberence of ships crews is that the overtime was more than likely the main source of discontent, especially to married men.
The wages were that low that many relied on overtime and manys the time I can relate to someone telling me they were told all sorts in the Shipping Office before signing on. Overtime does not exist anymore to my knowledge but the shipping I was on it was a mininum 12 hours a day. In my case 18 hours before a break if necessary. Some people call this progress, but I have my doubts. Regards John Sabourn

[happy daze john in oz]

If that had been today he could have got a job with Gina Rinheart she would have tossed him $2 a day just like an African.
Cheers Des

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And there is the point Des, her commenst were about the situation in Africa where working for $2 a day is common in mnay countries. The media as usual got hold of it, twisted the meaning saying she wanted those wages here in Oz. read the full speech and you will see a lot of what she says makes good sence.

[happy daze john in oz]

#102 Glen Landrover is now owned by the indian company Tata and they have invested millions into it. 1100 new staff have been employed to keep up with global demand for the vehicles.
It was the Dickens Character Mr. Micawber who said, 'the man who earns ten shillings a year and spends nine shillings and sixpence is a wise man. The man who rearns ten shillings and spends ten shillings and sixpence is a fool'.
This is very true of society today, many spend way beyond their means often just to keep up with the Jones, or in some cases out of sheer bloody minded stupidity. When mobile phone bills are higher than food bills there is something very wrong with society. It began in the mid 60's when comercilisation becam the buzz word, TV was suddenly full of adverts for goods many of us had not even considered, then credit cards became the order of the day, spend now and maybe if you can afford it pay later.
As for unemployment, we have about 5.1% here in Oz, that is considered to be about full employment. There will always be about 5% who are unemployable for a variety of reasons, maybe health or as in the case mentioned by Captain Kong th elad with the green hair. Some people would cause more problems than they would solve if employed.

[Keith Tindell]

My recent experience of trying to get a job done here convinces me that this country needs a size 9 boot , six laceholes up its ar**e. There is work out there, but a distinct lack of interest. I have a large oak tree in my garden which requires a tree surgeon to work on it, the first local guy came out to give a quote, told me what he would do to the tree, and would get back to me with a quote, 2 weeks, nothing heard, phoned and left a message, nothing heard. No 2 came out, said he would email a quote, 3 weeks, nothing heard. No3 came out, gave a written quote, will phone in a few days, 2 weeks nothing heard. So now come to the conclusion that i need a Polish tree surgeon, regards KT

[Glenn Baker]

Absolutely agree with you about the unemployment figures out here in Australia, the 5.1 is avery good figure and as any govt will say there will always be a similar figure due to people being of Disibilty or mentally unable to hold a job.

gina Reinhardt is still the face of ugly Australia to me, she only bought shares in a Newspaper because she didnt like what they said about her, i didnt notice her making any effort to save Darrel lea confectionary when that was going bad through no fault of the workers.
Gina baby has mor money in her lucky little Bank account than the whole of the Queensland Govt and she certainly never opened her wallet up when medical and Hospital systems were struggling in Queensland yet she has a lot to say about how hard workers should work, maybe old Langs Syne her rich daddy taught her to be a little piggy macho give them cakes attitude because she is certainly not liked in most circles of Society.

if gina baby thinks even Africans should mine for $2 a day then that says it all.

Maybe she should advertise for Mcdonalds Hamburgers as im sure her image is more in keeping with her general attitude to the rest of Society, seeing she even wants to bring in Foreign workers to all of her mines, because they are cheaper to employ.
So not withstanding her country of Origin, i still find her revolting in her shocking spoilt way of existance.
Her other mining Cronies are too of the same ilk seeing most of their wealth is accruid from oversea,s money and and of which she paid less tax before than what the people paid. check it out if you like , they realy pillage the land make their money and stuff the people. all the best Glenn

[Jim Brady]

It has been mentioned here that the unempoyment rate in 0z is 5% oh you lucky people.Here are some figures which may surprise you and you will understand why people are on benefits and not in employment,
Percentage of jobless
Glasgow City.28.7%
Sunderland.28.2%
South Teeside29.1%
Liverpool.31.6%
Southern England highest 12.1% Berkshire.

These figures are not because people dont want to work but because the jobs aint there.
Regards.
Jim.B.