Work hard lads

[happy daze john in oz]

Hi shipmates , Hi Cappy Hi jim The Eastern European seaman and many others, are employed by agencys, All pay is low and hours are long your lucky to have any money How many are payed off after many months at sea with no wages officers, engineers ,and crew or a promise that they will be payed at sometime? in the future and put ashore ? This has happen many times over the last 20 years with out trade unions the seamen, have no rights or defence, against crooks Many have refused to leave the ship The sit in was the common way to get them to pay before the ship change hands or was charter by bogus flag companys. I remember many a crew begging for food reading stories in the newpaper when I was working ashore, this has happen to many crews in many ports.

Louis, not sure about the ships you mention, but I know from talks with many crew members on cruise ships they do very well and are very satifeid with pay and conditions.

[happy daze john in oz]

I found this bit on the net yeaterday and found it interesting, not my comments but thought you may like to see how the media look at the rich here in Oz.


. Richpeople think selfishness is a virtue
Average people feel they need to save the world and put others beforethemselves which is keeping them poor. Rich people take the attitude that ifthey don’t help themselves first they can’t help anyone else.

2. Rich people have an action mentality
You wouldn’t see a rich person lining up to play the lottery (even before theywere rich). Average people are always waiting on someone else to help them getrich - the Lotto, Government, friend or spouse – but it only keeps them poor.Rich people take action and spend time solving problems.

3. Rich people favour specific knowledge over formal education
Average people believe the road to riches is through doing masters anddoctorates. Rich people are generally rich because they have made money sellinga specific knowledge they have acquired.

4. Rich people dream of the future
Rich people spend a lot of time looking into the future, setting goals andlooking forward to what lies ahead. Average people dwell on the past whichoften holds them back by making them unhappy or depressed.

5. Rich people think about money logically
Average and well-educated people can fall into the trap of thinking about moneyemotionally and just wanting to retire comfortably. Rich people maintain alogical relationship with money viewing it as a tool that represents optionsand opportunities.

6. Rich people follow their passion
Oprah Winfrey said it – you’ve got to follow your passion and do what you love.Rich people find a way of getting paid for doing something they love. Averagepeople earn money doing things they don’t love.

7. Rich people aim high
Average people set low expectations to avoid disappointment whereas rich peopleset huge expectations and follow their dreams.

8. Rich people believe you have to “be” someone
Average people on the other hand believe you have to “do” something to be richand focus on immediate results. Rich people continuously focus on betteringthemselves and learn from success and failures.

9. Rich people use other people’s money
Average people believe they need their own money to make money whereas richpeople have no problem using other people’s.

10. Rich people live below their means
It seems contradictory to the above statement but rich people adopt theattitude of getting rich so you can afford to live below your means. Averagepeople live beyond their means.

11. Rich people teach their children how to be rich
Average people teach their children how to survive whereas rich people teachtheir children from an early age about the world of haves and have nots.

12. Rich people don’t let money stress them out
Average people do. Rich people find peace of mind in wealth and are not afraidto admit that money can solve most problems – allowing them to make more money.Average people see money as a continuous battle and necessary evil they have toendure.

13. Rich people would rather be educated than entertained
Average people are the opposite. They read novels, tabloids and entertainmentrather than continuously educating themselves after school.

14. Rich people surround themselves with like-minded people
Average people think rich people are snobs and have a negative attitude towardsthe super rich. Rich people steer clear of the doom and gloom attitudes andpeople – adding fuel to the fire of the “snob” label.
Rich people constantly focus on the big picture – and how to earn the bigbucks.

15. Rich people focus on earning
Average people focus on saving and miss big opportunities by trying to livefrugally.

[Keith Tindell]

Hi Shipmates,
With regard to the unions, its like everything in life, a sensible approach is needed, i can recall an era when unions were too strong, they said who could be employed etc, now the power is in the other direction, ie employers. We need to get back to reasonable employers, and reasonable unions. If the power swings too much one way its not good. I am fortunate to have a good pension, thanks to the union, guys doing my old job today will not get anywhere near my reward, because the employers hold the power. regards KT

[Louis the Amigo]

Hi Shipmates. Hi Happy john in oz I thing that sound bite was copyed from an old victoria book with a modern update, I have met many very rich people in my life most of them did not work for they money and did not value itmuch , The ones who work hard over many years to earn it were not like number 15 but live like they would wake up next morning with nothing would not spent a penny on themself unless they had too number 13 is wrong another very rich person I known never read a book in his life 14 is wrong they dont have any friends or only in business, Rich people dont have familys or have major probelms with them too much time spent away or are divorce family life is very bad for them cost a great deal of money. Many mega rich after they have got fed up with all the wealth and the limelight like Bill Gates lock themself up and give away money Every person who has big money }not lottery winners} most are pennyless after a few years are not the same there is no one formular to become mega rich Oprah had an awful childhood, her brother died overdose, she was lucky to make money in T.V. but no one knows what she had to do to become famous? She may be Mega rich but at what cost? Back to stories in the paper About seamen begging for food and wages this was in many ports in Europe in the !970 to present day, The crew on some ferrys are employed by agencys on below min wage to work in the bars /kitchens e.t.c no right no unions allowed today passenger ship have for many years used non british workers no one would say a word against the shipping companys about terms or condition on ship .14 hours a day on less then min wage thats normal for them "stena " documentry on the T.V 2 weeks ago

[Glenn Baker]

At last reports Gina Reinhardt had 27 Billion Dollars in her Bank account, also her daddy Lang has another part aboriginal Daughter residing in a Govt housing Commision house in Geraldton Western Australia, so as well as falling out with her direct daughters and son, Gina baby doesnt want to know about her half sister in Geraldton, it was even big news on 60 minutes a few weeks ago, so realy honestly truly wully fellas Gina is no better than any thugs that are around.
She even tried to own a newspaper all because they took a dislike to her. true dinks, she wouldnt mind seeing chimmny sweep days come back with wages to match and Oliver twist soup kitchens .
Gina Reinhardt would be the face of Ugly Australia. building workers are only a small minority of all Australian Workers, Mechanics , Labourers factory workers etc . Wages would be zilch anywhere . Gina needs to learn how the other half of the Population lives.

[Louis the Amigo]

Hi Shipmates new story Child poverty in the uk read on the B.B.C Are Things are getting worst for the working family in the U.K.? The rich still dont pay enough tax ? The reward from "Stena C.E.O. to one of 14 hours below min wage crew man{ non british} was the company paid for his family, to come to paris to see him for a week ship in dry dock? Have not seen his family for over 6 months+ tell me real slavery and bad conditions dont exsit in the U.K. today Where are the trade unions ,when people need them? No funds and powerless !!!!

[Captain Kong]

I like Trade Unions,
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I do not like Trade Union Delegates and Bosses who are arrogant, ignorant, domineering bullies who make themselves Rich, They have BIG expence accounts, BIG Salaries only their members can dream of, Big Union member paid for Houses and Cars. The Best overseas travel in the Best Hotels and First Class air fares, all paid for by their Members.
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No Union Delegate or Union Boss should have anymore than their Members in Salary and expences, NO House paid for, No expensive Hotels that their members cannot afford to stay at.
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Brian .....who never ever got any help from any trade union when needed.after paying Union Subs for more than 50 years.

[cappy]

exact kong no truer words regards cappy

[Captain Kong]

Hi Shipmates new story Child poverty in the uk read on the B.B.C Are Things are getting worst for the working family in the U.K.? Louis.
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I dont believe there is Child Poverty in the UK. No one today knows what poverty is.
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I was brought up in the 1930s, there was no Benefits then, Not One Penny, Dad was out of work when the mills closed down, three kids, inc. me . and a wife. Rent and Rates to pay. The Man from the Parish would call and say sell that wireless, sell those chairs etc , when you have nothing left to sell then you got a few shillings .
If you needed a Doctor, you had to pay, no NHS.
There were three of us kids in one bed. no bathroom, outside midden, for the toilet.
We were poor, BUT, we didnt know we were poor, as we were all the same. so we had no one to compare to.
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Today, there are Benefits for everything, once you are on that ladder it opens doors to untold wealth.
Rent and Rates paid for by suckers like me who saved my money and cannot get any because of a MN. Pension.
Childrens Allowance, around £17 per week per child.
Free Medicines, free Glasses, free dental.
If your wife or husband is in Gaol you can claim travelling expences.
Free everything the list is endless.
I was talking to a Social Worker, He said, if a child has to share a bedroom he is in Poverty, if he hasnt got a Ipod and his mates have then he is in Poverty. etc etc. That is the Big Problem with this country today, we are breeding a Nation of Bums.
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My step Daughter is a Teaching Assistant, she says kids come to school with no breakfast.
A packet of 48 Weetabix costs £3, enough for 24 days, at 2 a day. or around £1 a week. they get £17 a week Allowance for each child. WHERE IS THE POVERTY.?
The parents are stood at the school gates smoking fags at £8 a packet, in the alehouse at night .
Poverty is Self Inflicted.
The Money should be stopped. Food coupons issued instead to the value of the benefit. maybe then, if the parent doesnt sell the coupons for ciggy money, the kids may get fed before they go to school.
I was fed in the 30s, Porridge every morning, did us good, still have it.
If a child cannot be fed by the parent then they should be charged with child neglect. There is absolutely no excuse.
I have to pay tax on my miserable pension to help support these Bums.
Brian.

[Louis the Amigo]

Hi shipmates, Hi Captain Kong I agree with you times were very hard for us all in them days, many of us grew up with very little in the way of things many children only had hand me downs to wear, but as you said everyone was in the same boat in the bad hungry times 19 30 40 50s but did thing get better????I was working 1st job full time at age 14 on a ship, 6 boys to a cabin, mopping the saloon and working in a cupboard{shop} the wages were low The food was rubbish, and you had to pay for it but Ilived to tell the tale , But enough about my past, The trade unions have allmost gone they funds and power have been taken away by laws put into place by governments of the U.K,. But poverty is not the same as it was in our day? My mate Laurie 87yrs was in school in the 1930s his job as a prefect was to give out parrish boots to poor children whos parents could not afford them? He would agree with a lot of what you posted, But times have moved on for the better ??? Your step daughter has seen it first hand , so has my daughter she a teacher in a class of 30+ many who dont understand english and whos parents work for min wage if not on benifts who pay top rent to private land-lords ,so have very little money to pay all the bills and many live off food banks, and hand outs from charity so they dont have it easy? But today not many do unless you earn a very good wage?