John Thomas Johnson

[Marian Gray]

' Patrick Cornelius: I am trying to trace a John Thomas Johnson born 1884 do not know date of death. Possibly worked for a company with iniatials H D I Co'

Hi Patrick, Welcome to the site. Could you tell us please where John was born and any other details you may have. Thank you.

[Patrick Cornelius]

I believe he may have connections to the Brixham area as the enquiry came from there. The shipping company house flag was a cream oblong with a red border and red diagonals. The lettering was in black with the H in the top triangle, D in the mast triangle, the I in the fly triangle and the Co in the bottom triagle.

[Marian Gray]

Hi Patrick, Due to process of elimination and to quicken the search do you have John's position on ship or his parents/wife's name for cross reference purposes?

Re Flag detail and Ship's Company initials, hoping other more knowledgable members can help with that otherwise it will be a long haul for me

[Doc Vernon]

Only one so far that is near Born 1882

Last name Johnson

First name(s) John Thomas

Year Of Birth 1882

Year Of Death —

Year 1921

Record set 1921 Census Of England & Wales

Location Brixham, Totnes, Devon, England

[Marian Gray]

#4,Vernon, As there were over 120+ John Johnson's on FMP born between 1881-1884 and none for the MN is the reason I was waiting for Patrick to reply to my#3.

From Ancestry:
Think this may be the correct John Thomas Johnson born Manchester Lancashire 1882, living with wife and inlaws, at:

1, Sea View Terrace,N Fwizeham? Brixham, Devon and listed as a Deep Sea Fisherman. Employment status WORKER 4

Still hoping members can suggest the flag quest.

UK, Royal Naval Reserve Service Records Index, 1860-1955

From https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/D8511448


Name John Thomas Johnson
Birth Date 29 Aug 1881
Birth Place Manchester, Lancashire
Date 1908-1955
Service Number DA 3907




From Ancestry: Patrick, Hoping Hugh ex RN & MN member will confirm if the following is correct.

The UK, Navy Lists, 1888-1970:

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Think this is the Lord George Vessel in question?

LORD GEORGE (ex-ST. GEORGE), hired trawler, Adty No 688. Built 1905, 229grt, Grimsby-reg GY.83. Armament: 1-6pdr AA. In service 2.15-1919 as minesweeper. Served as CEDRIC in WW2.

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There is one more for 1919 but will have to search as not in numerical order like the two above!

Will leave the last for Hugh if he doesn't mind and has the time as records now jumping from month to month for January 1919 then reverts back betwwen 1914 1916, 1917, 1918.

[Des Taff Jenkins]

Hi Marian.
I have a page of over three hundred coloured ships flags and funnels it is not listed on there.
Des

[Doc Vernon]

I believe he may have connections to the Brixham area as the enquiry came from there. The shipping company house flag was a cream oblong with a red border and red diagonals. The lettering was in black with the H in the top triangle, D in the mast triangle, the I in the fly triangle and the Co in the bottom triagle.

If you have some time to go through this list you may get lucky!?
I have been to page 24 and as yet not found the Flag! But i dont have the time sorry!
Cheers

House Flags and Funnels of Steam Vessels – Collections & Research (mysticseaport.org)

And here is Pic of Ship Lord George

Lord-George-GY-83.jpg

Anyone ?? What was the Shipping Company name for the above shown Ship, Black Funnel with White Band and the letter V ?? tHANKS

[Ivan Cloherty]

Search for it under Grimsby trawlers, it looks like GY83.

In the 50's Lord Line sailed out of Hull and their vessels would have an 'H' letter preceeding the number, my first trawler was H402 built 1914, but that is a 1922 picture and even I don't go back that far ! But I don't think Lord Line had a 'V' on the funnel


Lord Line Trawlers was a Red funnel with a white band and a black top, so reading from the top was black white and red

[Hugh]

From Ancestry: Patrick, Hoping Hugh ex RN & MN member will confirm if the following is correct.

The UK, Navy Lists, 1888-1970:

94231216_3.jpg

Hi Marian,
I can confirm that you have the correct man in the Navy List that corresponds to the RNR record you have found.

Regards
Hugh

[Hugh]

Here is his medal file.
He was awarded the 1914/15 Star, Victory Medal and the British War Medal.

medals.jpg

Regards
Hugh