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[j.sabourn]

Theres a word for people who get their kicks that way. Give me a couple of days and I'll remember it. JS

[John Arton]

John S and Brian
Re: Ventura or Venturi fitting.
Sorry to disappoint you but we were using something similar back in 76 for hatch cleaning on bulk carriers. Using the venture effect (see link)
Venturi effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
you would attach two fire hoses to the ends of the Y branch and get a suction in the T branch. You could further increase the suction by added a compressed air hose to the fitment.
This system meant that the relatively low pressure from the fire main could still produce sufficient suction to lift fluids up a height. WE used it instead of the bilge pump when washing cargo holds as it meant that we kept the bilge wells clear of any traces of cargo with the associated risk of blocking the strum boxes with cargo.
Even earlier than that I can recall using them on both tankers and bulk carriers where they were called eductors. Some were permanent fixtures in ballast lines and others were portable and could be used anywhere. The beauty of them was that as they were water driven, unless you were pumping out an oily mix, you could discharge the liquid you were pumping out of a compartment directly to sea. If used to educt (that's the term we used) petroleum or chemicals from a cargo tank the educator can be placed on deck with its discharge led to the slop tank and you avoided introducing any thing into your cargo tank atmosphere that could cause a static discharge in an explosive atmosphere.
So sorry Brian patents on water/air driven eductors must have been taken out long before 84.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...tors&FORM=IGRE
rgds
JA

[j.sabourn]

Pre 1953 as well. Still don't know if it was a statutory part of ships equipment. Cant really remember any surveyor asking to sight it. Some of the mates musn"t have known about it either as was never asked to polish it as was usually made of brass. Never asked a mate what it was as would of been polishing it, asked the old Chippy. Cheers JS

[j.sabourn]

#41... Nearly there Cappy but not quite Necrophiliac, beware of all people who are well aware of this word. Never turn your back on them and make sure they know you are still breathing. Just think if we ever got back to filling in application forms for work and such as of years ago. Name Religion Sexual persuasion ( due to the relaxation of all such nowadays and a large percentage are Gay, who will be the first to come out of the closet and put Gay Necrophiliac, the mind boggles. Cheers JS

[Captain Kong]

Hi John A.
I did know about eductors long before as we had them in our pump rooms and used them at the end of a discharge.
but we were having problems in delay time when gas freeing on the product tankers as the pump eductors didn't take out all the petrol from the bottom of the tank. so I tried my method of having the small one fitted at the bottom and it shifted All the petrol from the tank so making gas freeing a lot quicker when tank washing.
as one gallon of petrol evaporates into 160 gallons of vapour at 60 degrees F and all this has to be removed before loading DFO.
So the time we saved was quite valuable.
Cheers
Brian

[happy daze john in oz]

Saw number of burials at sea when with UCL, all done at 1700 hours from the gun port door. But on cruise ships now there is a morge with room for 6, not allowed to polute the oceans now by putting them in a shrowd.

[Ivan Cloherty]

, not allowed to polute the oceans now by putting them in a shrowd.

Now they just pollute the land by walking around with them on

[John Arton]

Saw number of burials at sea when with UCL, all done at 1700 hours from the gun port door. But on cruise ships now there is a morge with room for 6, not allowed to polute the oceans now by putting them in a shrowd.

Can they not use the ships incinerator to cremate them?
rgds
JA

[Captain Kong]

I don't think the Bloods would enjoy lying on deck getting some Bronzy and a load of ash and the smell of burning fat descending on them.
When did they ban Burials at sea??
They have had them in the last few years I have seen.
cheers
Brian#PS,.

Burial at Sea



Funeral Information | Burial, Cremation and other Alternatives | Burial at Sea





A burial at sea, is not only an option for former sailors or Naval personnel, but an option available to everybody. In recent times it hasn't been that popular in the UK, with only a few dozen being carried out each year, at only 2 designated sites in England. Its popularity however, is suggested to be on the increase, as the strict regulations surrounding Sea burial mean it's quite a green way to go.

Most of the information below can also be found by clicking on the following link for the government department responsible, called the Marine Management Organisation.

Alternatively contact Britannia Shipping at Burial At Sea who are one of the few companies offering such a service.

The Locations



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Newhaven, East Sussex, and The Needles Spoil Ground, Isle of Wight, are the two main sites where sea burial is allowed to take place in England. There is a third site near Tynemouth, Northumberland, but according to the Marine and Fisheries Agency (phone conversation 18/03/10), this third site is only to be used if there is no chance of using the other two designated areas.

Due to the small possibility of the body being returned to shore by strong currents, or being trawled up by commercial fishing nets, these specific sites have been chosen very carefully and designated for this purpose

Sea Burial Considerations



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Where burial at sea off the coast of England is proposed, an application for a FEPA licence should be made to the Marine Management Organisation (previously the Marine and Fisheries Agency), a subsidiary of DEFRA ( Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs). The licence normally takes the form of a letter and where granted, will be issued free of charge.

Such licences will include the date and the location at which burial must take place, and other conditions, including specifications of the materials and special design of the coffin be used (to ensure it sinks quickly, stays there, and does not contain any materials that may present a danger to the marine environment). Bodies which have been embalmed will not be allowed burial at sea, for similar environmental reasons, as this preservative could cause water pollution.

Amongst other information, the application will need to include a certificate from the appropriate medical practitioner that the body is clear of fever and infection. The Coroner may also need to be informed of the intention to remove a body out of England as prescribed in the Removal of Bodies Regulations 1954 (as amended).

Lastly, (besides the usual things that need to be organised for a funeral), you need to make sure that the boat you charter to take you out is big enough to carry the coffin and those attending the committal, and has up-to-date positioning technology on board, so that it all happens in the correct location. If a service of some form is to take place, bear in mind that if the waters are a bit choppy, the boat will probably not be the most comfortable place to hold something like that, and so either on shore prior, or after committal, is probably a better bet. Concerning the weather, one last thing to consider, if it's too bad to sail, the whole thing can be called off.


Australia[edit]

Burial at sea within Australian territorial waters, exclusive economic zone and continental shelf is covered by the Environmental Protection (Sea Dumping Act) 1981 administered by the federal Department of the Environment. A permit is required for burial of bodies at sea. Permits are usually only granted in cases of a strong connection to the sea, for example long serving navy personnel. The body must not be embalmed or placed in a casket, it may only be sewn into a weighted shroud. The burial must be in water deeper than 2,000 metres (6,600 ft) and not interfere with shipping, fishing or undersea communications. Australian Defence Force vessels engaged in armed conflicts or emergency situations are exempt from these requirements.[12]

No permit is required to scatter ashes at sea.

United Kingdom[edit]

Burial at sea was a method hypothetically suggested by the then Medical Officer of Health for Liverpool, Dr Duncan Dolton, in which unburied bodies could be buried at sea during any extended strike by gravediggers union the GMWU during the Winter of Discontent. The suggestion caused great alarm amongst the public and helped prompt a resolution to the strike.[citation needed] British colonial burials at sea of the 18th and 19th century involved wrapping the deceased in sailcoth weighted with cannonballs.

In England[edit]

In England today, cremated remains may be scattered freely at sea, but a burial must be made in a coffin meeting regulatory requirements and in one of three locations: off The Needles, Isle of Wight; between Hastings and Newhaven; off Tynemouth, North Tyneside. Permission may also be sought for a novel burial site.[13]

[Captain Kong]

I scattered mother`s ashes on the beach at Walney island where she used to play as a child.
I also scattered the ashes of two mates, who were brothers in the water at the beach on the Mull of Galloway.
Had a few "disasters" with ashes being scattered at sea from ships.
One blew back inboard and he got stuck on wet painted bulkhead.
another went up in the air and some disappeared through the galley skylight and into the soup kit, the cook stirred it up and when we complained it was a bit gritty he said he thought the engineers had been blowing tubes.
I was on a tanker, the Chief Engineer had died and was cremated, his widow and family came on board with a Vicar, and a cardboard box with the ashes in. We were to steam out to the Needles and scatter them into the sea then come back in.
I mentioned the previous disasters about scattering at sea with the wind to the Captain, He told me to take the box to the two engineers, to weigh the box down and then we could have the Service and then just drop the box into the sea. Young Paddy the 2nd, filled up the dhobi sink with water and was balancing bolts on top to see how many bolts would be required.
The bottom of the box fell out when the cardboard got soaked wet, and the ashes fell out of the bottom.
He got the Chief, old Paddy, and they decided to pull the plug out and then scrape the ashes up. so they did and the cremated Chief shot down the Plug Hole and out and under the Jetty. Just the way he would have wanted.
Paddy call me on the phone on the Bridge. I had to whisper to the Captain what had happened and so I had to go down and see them.
We made a box of the same size, filled it with saw dust and added a few bolts, taped it up so they couldn't tell the difference, and then we sailed down to the Needles, The Vicar had a small Service on the pool and then dropped the box of bolts into the sea. Everyone was happy.