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Article: Merchant Navy service is sunk by Council’s refusal to waive red tape

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    Merchant Navy service is sunk by Council’s refusal to waive red tape

    32 Comments by Doc Vernon Published on 4th February 2018 01:25 AM
    A bit of an old Article i know but thought it may interest some !
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    Posted: 06 October 2017
    Merchant seamen braved storms and German submarines during the First World War but a service to recognise their sacrifice has been defeated by a six-foot wide stretch of tarmac.The only national event for the merchant navy and fishing fleet during the war’s centenary commemorations has been cancelled after the City of London was accused of refusing to shut a short stretch of road.
    The organisers of the service, arranged by leading maritime organisations and charities, said the road had to be closed for security reasons as the Princess Royal was due to be among the guests at the Merchant Navy Memorial overlooking the Tower of London.Although the south half of the road is controlled by Tower Hamlets council, which readily agreed to the service, the other side of the dotted white line is part of the City of London. The organisers claim the City refused to allow the closure because the application was not made 12 weeks ahead of the event, which was before police had approved the security arrangements.Cancellation of the service, which was timed to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the convoy system, has led to anguish and anger for the relatives of those who perished.The 400 invited guests due at the event on October 17 included 30 ambassadors and high commissioners of countries whose seafarers are among the 36,102 names on the memorial.The Right Rev Peter Broadbent, the acting Bishop of London, was due to lead the service with music from the Royal Marine Band.Buckingham Palace announced the Princess Royal’s attendance last week but confirmed yesterday that the event would no longer take place.Commodore Malcolm Williams, chief executive of the Shipwrecked Mariners’ Society, one of the groups that organised the service, condemned the cancellation as a “triumph of bureaucratic process”. He added: “When you think about the sacrifice and flexibility of those who served in the war, there seems to have been little of that in this process. It is extremely unfortunate that it has been cancelled at this late stage.”Captain Malcolm Mathison, national vice-chairman of the Merchant Navy Association, said: “We had been working on this for two years. There are a lot of very unhappy people who felt they have been left out of the commemorations. I have been contacted by members who are very angry. There is a feeling that ‘we have done our job and now you’ve forgotten about us’.”A Tower Hamlets spokesman said that the council had no objection to the event and had been supporting the organisers where possible.In the First World War the Mercantile Marine lost 17,000 crew and 2,417 ships and the fishing fleet lost 675 vessels and 434 fishermen. The introduction of the convoy system in May 1917 reduced the losses and saved Britain from being starved into capitulation.George V recognised that wartime service with the title Merchant Navy. The Queen is the “Master of the Merchant Navy and Fishing Fleets”.A City of London spokesman said: “At no stage was an official application submitted for an event or any road closure. The organiser was encouraged to follow event planning guidelines but did not engage with highways officers in the correct manner.”Article as appeared in The Times, 6 October 2017.
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    Hi Brian.
    Got mine the same way as I was on one of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary.
    Cheers Des

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    Quote Originally Posted by j.sabourn View Post
    Sorry Cappy thought you said your titty box, and thought now why haven't I got one of those. Will have to get the magnifying glass out again. Hope the condoms aren't second hand. I think the 1/6d you reckon I owe you is in there as well. Its Rob who owes you money not me, last biscuit tin I saw on a British ship was the medical locker. JS
    ###its 3 and ninepence .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by j.sabourn View Post
    I must say on others advice on here I applied for the MN badge last year more to see what 0r if would get.


    Cheers JWS
    The MOD letter or citation enclosed with such badges should contain the recipient's name, rank, service or discharge book number, otherwise those who receive such awards can't prove it was awarded to them personally.
    e.g. Someone who knows you could ask, did you buy that badge on E Bay?, You couldn't prove you didn't.

    Fouro.
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    Got the piece of paper that says was awarded. Have also taken the trouble to enscribe the years employed in Naval Party 1007 on the back. Would be no use. To anyone else. Cheers JWS.

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    Run of the mill letters enclosed with these badges don't usually contain the name, rank or service numbers of recipients.
    In my opinion, your achievements as Captain of the Silver Pit during Piper Alpha disaster deserved something better.

    Fouro.

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    Its no different from what anyone else got Fouro, except it was issued by the MOD. A copy of the letter is on the post. Vernon got the same. The inscription of name and dates of Naval Party servicewere put on by me, If was lost or stolen. They had my discharge book number as had to give on application. They gave the badge on recognition of MOD service. Maybe I should apply for another one elsewhere. The mod had nothing to do with my service elsewhere. Doubt they even knew about it. Cheers JWS
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    Hi John, Wife paid 7/6 for the wedding certificate, as I was at sea.
    Does that mean I am now worth a fortune?

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    If your not Den no doubt she will be. Cheers JS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis McGuckin View Post
    Hi John, Wife paid 7/6 for the wedding certificate, as I was at sea.
    Does that mean I am now worth a fortune?
    Well in 'bingo' terms 7and6, was she worth it?

    Of course she bloody well was or you would never have married her.
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    Yes she was. However would never let me pay her back.
    Said I would always be in her dept.
    So true.

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