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    Merchant Navy service is sunk by Council’s refusal to waive red tape

    32 Comments by Doc Vernon Published on 4th February 2018 01:25 AM
    A bit of an old Article i know but thought it may interest some !
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    Posted: 06 October 2017
    Merchant seamen braved storms and German submarines during the First World War but a service to recognise their sacrifice has been defeated by a six-foot wide stretch of tarmac.The only national event for the merchant navy and fishing fleet during the war’s centenary commemorations has been cancelled after the City of London was accused of refusing to shut a short stretch of road.
    The organisers of the service, arranged by leading maritime organisations and charities, said the road had to be closed for security reasons as the Princess Royal was due to be among the guests at the Merchant Navy Memorial overlooking the Tower of London.Although the south half of the road is controlled by Tower Hamlets council, which readily agreed to the service, the other side of the dotted white line is part of the City of London. The organisers claim the City refused to allow the closure because the application was not made 12 weeks ahead of the event, which was before police had approved the security arrangements.Cancellation of the service, which was timed to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the convoy system, has led to anguish and anger for the relatives of those who perished.The 400 invited guests due at the event on October 17 included 30 ambassadors and high commissioners of countries whose seafarers are among the 36,102 names on the memorial.The Right Rev Peter Broadbent, the acting Bishop of London, was due to lead the service with music from the Royal Marine Band.Buckingham Palace announced the Princess Royal’s attendance last week but confirmed yesterday that the event would no longer take place.Commodore Malcolm Williams, chief executive of the Shipwrecked Mariners’ Society, one of the groups that organised the service, condemned the cancellation as a “triumph of bureaucratic process”. He added: “When you think about the sacrifice and flexibility of those who served in the war, there seems to have been little of that in this process. It is extremely unfortunate that it has been cancelled at this late stage.”Captain Malcolm Mathison, national vice-chairman of the Merchant Navy Association, said: “We had been working on this for two years. There are a lot of very unhappy people who felt they have been left out of the commemorations. I have been contacted by members who are very angry. There is a feeling that ‘we have done our job and now you’ve forgotten about us’.”A Tower Hamlets spokesman said that the council had no objection to the event and had been supporting the organisers where possible.In the First World War the Mercantile Marine lost 17,000 crew and 2,417 ships and the fishing fleet lost 675 vessels and 434 fishermen. The introduction of the convoy system in May 1917 reduced the losses and saved Britain from being starved into capitulation.George V recognised that wartime service with the title Merchant Navy. The Queen is the “Master of the Merchant Navy and Fishing Fleets”.A City of London spokesman said: “At no stage was an official application submitted for an event or any road closure. The organiser was encouraged to follow event planning guidelines but did not engage with highways officers in the correct manner.”Article as appeared in The Times, 6 October 2017.
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    Even South Korea gave medals to allied troops serving during the peninsula war. My wife’s cousin received a long time ago and is often invited to return to commemorate the affair. He finished up as a colonel in the DLI (reserves) and am sure he wore amongst his British campaign ribbons. JWS
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    This is typical of so many councils and other gov departments.
    Unless it fits with their political agenda you have 'Buckleys' of getting anywhere.
    Had that been one of the other services there would have been no objection, but of course as far as they are concerned Merchant Navy is of no consequence to them.
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    I must say on others advice on here I applied for the MN badge last year more to see what 0r if would get. It was here within the week courtesy of the MOD with the accompanying scrip.

    Ministry of Defence ( Letterhead)
    With the Compliments of The Minister for Defence Personnel, Welfare and Veterans.

    This UK Merchant Seafarers Veterans Badge is presented to you in recognition of your contribution to HM Armed Forces military operations.

    Ministry of Defence.

    The badge itself is marked with the insignia HM Armed Forces on the Red Duster, and marked in Gold Veteran.
    The RN must at least keep records and if have few ships must keep records of same.

    So Think there should be little excuse for those of the Russian Convoys to be hard to find.

    Cheers JWS

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    Got mine as well quite a while ago JS
    It was a nice letter wasn't it! And yes I recall it dod not take long at all to arrive!
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    ##got mine through the vindi association in harrogate they just sent our discharge books of and if you were in a war zone or carrying arms etc for our forces to troubled areas you got the badge and letter ....it is a decent looking badge and lives in my ditty box ..who remembers a ditty box in which we kept our bits and bats ....mine was an old biscuit tin with anchors on cappy...in old time sayings it had in large letters ditty box ..and underneath cappsy his ditty box....kept my watch and letters from girl friends and an assortment of foriegn coins sharks teeth and a photo of my girlfriend of the time seamans identity card and inoculation papers and some old gold cufflinks which i never wore and sold for booze in brazil.....condoms and the old anti vd kit as most ships didnt carry them ....oh happy days

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    Got mine through the MNA.

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    My application took days i was amazed how quickly it arrived with the script from the M.O.D. Someone mentioned what was on the manifest as in cargo aboard your ship, After a little research i discovered that we supplied the peacekeeping force after the Brits pulled out of Aden in 1969, We carried not only food supplies but also munitions, Later into the 70s we supplied the same to the Brits posted in Belize. Although i got caught up in the Bangladesh/Pakistan war 1971, I have trawled the net but never found any recognition for being aboard the one of two surviving British M ships caught in the Bay of Bengal. It had nothing to do with G.B. But its quite obvious that Merchant shipping from all over the world was attacked. Then again what else would you expect from either the Indian or Pakistan government of the day 1971. Yet we still give 2% of our economy to these countries. Terry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Kong View Post
    Got mine through the MNA.
    Likewise Brian.

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    Sorry Cappy thought you said your titty box, and thought now why haven't I got one of those. Will have to get the magnifying glass out again. Hope the condoms aren't second hand. I think the 1/6d you reckon I owe you is in there as well. Its Rob who owes you money not me, last biscuit tin I saw on a British ship was the medical locker. JS
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    Quote Originally Posted by j.sabourn View Post
    Sorry Cappy thought you said your titty box, and thought now why haven't I got one of those. Will have to get the magnifying glass out again. Hope the condoms aren't second hand. I think the 1/6d you reckon I owe you is in there as well. Its Rob who owes you money not me, last biscuit tin I saw on a British ship was the medical locker. JS
    A simple 1/6 after so much time with compound interest rates over the years you could well be in debt for millions.
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