Seaman Ship

[Peter Trodden]

Peter,

The Flemish Eye would be standard on 'Runners'

Bill

Capt,Bill,
the "Runners" you refer to would'nt be cargo Falls would they? If so,I've never seen Flem's and B/D grips used on that type of working gear.
Keith,
these days they do a Flemish Eye then close the Talurit over the short tail,its called a Super Loop.
ttfn.Peter T.

[David Williams]

Hi There.
What was the name of the Troopship you were on,
I did seven trips on the Empire Orwell back in the 50,s
Dave Williams

[Capt Bill Davies]

Capt,Bill,
the "Runners" you refer to would'nt be cargo Falls would they? If so,I've never seen Flem's and B/D grips used on that type of working gear.
Keith,
these days they do a Flemish Eye then close the Talurit over the short tail,its called a Super Loop.
ttfn.Peter T.

Peter,

The 'runners' were indeed the cargo falls. I too do not know anything about bulldog grips in connection with flemish eyes and never seen them used on anything other than deck cargo lashing.


Brgds

Bill

[Captain Kong]

Hi There.
What was the name of the Troopship you were on,
I did seven trips on the Empire Orwell back in the 50,s
Dave Williams
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One of the Troopships Lou was on was the `DUCHESS of BEDFORD`, later renamed `EMPRESS OF FRANCE`after the war, of Canadian Pacific. The Duchess of Bedford, when Lou was on it, was one of the very last ships to leave Singapore as the Japanese entered the city in February 1942 and the same year he was back in Singapore as a "guest" of the Japanese after being sunk, on the Gloucester Castle, by a German raider He was on her when she was being bombed in the Mersey. She was known as the most bombed ship to survive the war.
Cheers
Brian

[Red Lead Ted]

Well i sure have some very good answers to my post about seamanship as regards to the wire splicing the BOT splice was the one we used but then splicing wire just about died out as they used bulldog grips would be right in saying that .When i went back to sea on the tramp ships i was suprised at some of the deck crowd lacking in some of the things i had learnt but on the other hand i was to learn a lot more but as it been said on these posts seamanship does not only consists of the things i have mentioned .One thing i did learn use common sense and look,learn and listen

I from time to time visit the albert dock here in Lpool gr8 day out on a nice day m8. I look for as you put it seamanship skills, But i have noticed recently the day,s of splicing wire rope is gone i for one never saw the Lpool splice part, I have seen bulldog grips go many times but these day,s most wire ropes and strops are chocked in a loop with a brass fitting which obviously come aboard new ships like that from the factory floor or ships chandler,s. There cant be many ships today that carry a vice for one thing let alone a ball of marlin or a marlin spike. And if they did most crew members these days wouldn,t know what to do with them. Another skill that has vanished is Multiplat splicing of mooring lines that will be something else gone from the store,s a fid? Good thread LOU....Regards Terry.

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Peter,

The 'runners' were indeed the cargo falls. I too do not know anything about bulldog grips in connection with flemish eyes and never seen them used on anything other than deck cargo lashing.
A small aside Peter. Do you remember a Jimmy Young in the china. Lived around New Street, Seacombe.

Brgds

Bill

Ask a gp seaman today to use a spanish windlass as in deck cargo. He will be off looking for a guitar ????? Regards Terry.

[robpage]

In todays world , I assume that the Spanish windlass is banned by the safety Elf , I have seen so many accidents where one slipped or the rope snapped and bit the nearest bystander quite hard . I even would agree with banning a once very common practice , I wonder why we did it ?

[Ivan Cloherty]

In todays world , I assume that the Spanish windlass is banned by the safety Elf , I have seen so many accidents where one slipped or the rope snapped and bit the nearest bystander quite hard . I even would agree with banning a once very common practice , I wonder why we did it ?

Well Rob, because we were told to! and ships never carried enough turnbuckles, shackles and rigging screws when we were at sea, they were expensive, a piece of dunnage was cheap.

[robpage]

I got involved in a little job a few years ago , and a diesel cylinder head was lifted on what was a knotted polyproplyene rope , I have been living with the shoreside Safety Elf for twenty years , and it horrified me to see half a tonne hanging on a knot ( Note before ABs and EDHs tell me how much weight an 1" rope will hold on a knot , this was tied by an engineer ) . In shoreside practice , there would have been eyebolts , shackles and endless strops , all of the right lifting strength . I also saw Spanish Windlass' used again . I hated that safety Elf , but that incident reminded me that a lot of lives have been saved by safe working practices .

To any safety reps that I have dealt with in the last twenty years , I will admit , you may have been right some of the time ,