Charlie Ross, Bosun on the Baxtergate

[Mike B]

Hi All
My Grandfather was called Charlie Ross. He was originally from Singapore but Lived in Liverpool.
I know he was a Bosun on a ship called the Baxtergate. He was born around 1900 but I don't know what years he served in the Merchant Navy.

I am trying to find any info about him. I have no idea how to use the National Archives and end up going around in circles.

Any help would be appreciated .

Thanks

[R58484956]

Greetings Mike B and a warm welcome to the MN site. Bon voyage.

[DeepSea]

Hello Mike,

Unfortunately if you can not visit Kew in person it has now become quite expensive to obtain service records from The National Archives. To undertake a search will now cost you £45.00 for a service file, known as a CRS-10. As you don't have a date of birth or Discharge Book No. to narrow the search down, I can guarantee you will be charged the £45.00 for the search.

I did a check for any primary records on him, which would of given us a Discharge Book No. to go on. No luck I'm afraid. You would also need to know when he left the Merchant Navy as records are held in separate registers known as the Fourth (1913-1940) & Fifth (1941-1972) register.

The Baxtergate belonged to the Turnbull Scott Shipping Co. and again there were more than one ship named Baxtergate owned by the Co. over several years.

[Roger Griffiths]

As Billy said there were two vessels named BAXTERGATE who could fit the bill. Crew agreements are available for both but the cost of a search would be prohibitive not least because some of them are stored in Newfoundland.
If you cannot be more specific with dates etc. then all I can suggest is that you try and see if he has any records in the Fourth Register Central Index. Cost you £15 up front. Bear in mind some of these cards have been destroyed or lost.
http://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-leis...tralindex.aspx

If there is nothing there, then the next course would be to seek his CRS10 and maybe the crew agreements which are at Kew.
Of course you could visit Kew and Southampton or even Newfoundland yourself. Only you know how much you can afford to spend on this project.

Roger

[Doc Vernon]

Hi Mike B
Would just like to give you a warm Welcome to this very good site!
Here you will find lots of info,good Crew and with luck also find a few old Shipmates!
So sit back,relax and just enjoy the trip!
Hope we will have you here for a long time!
A site truly worthy of the British Merchant Navy!
Cheers

Now i dont really know if this will relate to your query at all,and this may be a bit off the dates required,but just though that i would post it in case! As it is not certain waht dates he served in the MN.??
I am sure Billy or Hugh will soon put a correction if this is not what you want!
Sorry if it is of no use!

Covers names ROSENBERG I to RYAN W
Covering dates 1944 Jan 01 - 1945 Dec 31


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/c...lDetails=False

[Ray Buck]

Mike B
A couple of very long shot
There is a Charley Ross shown as a Sailor aged 27 with 12 years sea time signed on the “City of Winchester” in North Shields on the 5th November 1928 he is shown as race Malay, nationality British, height 5’ – 4 ½” with a Malay(Chasana spelling ?) tattoo on the left arm
The ship sailed from the Tyne 15th November 1928 arriving New York 30th November 1928 sailed again on the 20th December for Sydney Australia

Also Charlie Ross age 25 signed on the “Kentucky” Ellerman & Bucknall Lines Ltd as Quartermaster in North Shields on the 8th February 1926 again shown as Malay sailed from Newcastle 9th February 1926 arrived New York 25th February 1926

Again “Lorenzo” as Quartermaster again signed on in North Shields 3rd Dec 1926

There is a Commemoration for a Charles Ross a lot younger as Bosun http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_...sualty=2804514


Ray

[Mike B]

Thanks to everyone who has replied to this post so far.
I have very little info about my Grandfather.
I know thet he died in 1986. I will pester my family to see if I can get a precise date of birth for him, as well as details about when he joined and left the MN.

I've only been told that he was a bosun on the Baxtergate, and know nothing about when this was or any other ship he may have served on.

I'll do more homework.

I'll get back with more details.
Thanks

[Roger Griffiths]

Ray,
I have done a little digging and am 99% that Charley Ross is the man we are looking for.
I think the man on CWGC is a different person but as ever I could be wrong.
Let's see what the original poster comes up with.

regards
Roger

[Ray Buck]

Roger
As MikeB has given an age of Death as 86 then I agree that the CWGC entry can't be our man
we will as you say have to wait for a little more info
Ray

[Doc Vernon]

Just some info on the Ship and Pic hope it may be of interest!
Cheers

Official Number Result: 180144 Baxtergate

GSN Name Year Built Tonnage Type Built at Fate Year Fate LR/IMO
Number Official Number Remarks
20025539 EMPIRE COWDRAY 1944 7072 csd cargo Sunderland 1960 Scrapped - 180144

Later Identities:

Change Year Name Tonnage Type Remarks
1948 GRANHILL 7072 csd cargo 1948/ex Empire Cowdray
1951 BAXTERGATE 7072 csd cargo 1951/ex Empire Cowdray


Crew Agreements Indices Search Results
Search results for Crew Agreements in the Maritime History Archive.

The Maritime History Archive does not hold any crew agreements for Official Number 180144


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Search results for Crew Agreements in British Institutions.

The Maritime History Archive does not have a record of any crew agreements held at U.K.
county record offices for Official Number 180144.


Official Number Result: 148665

GSN Name Year Built Tonnage Type Built at Fate Year Fate LR/IMO
Number Official Number Remarks
20004670 ANGLO INDIAN 1925 5531 cargo Sunderland 1959 Scrapped - 148665

Later Identities:

Change Year Name Tonnage Type Remarks
1937 BAXTERGATE 5531 cargo 1937/ex Anglo Indian
1947 ARTYGIA 5531 cargo 1947/ex Anglo Indian
1948 DOMINA 5531 cargo 1948/ex Anglo Indian
1955 LILY MICHALOS

Search results for Crew Agreements in the Maritime History Archive.
(Types of Agreements and Accounts page provides an explanation for the codes referring to
the crew agreements held at the Maritime History Archive.)

Official_No: 148665 Baxtergate


1926: E1

1928: E1

1929: E1

1931: E2

1933: E1

1934: E2

1936: E2

1937: E1

1938: E2


E1 — Eng 1. Agreement and account of crew of a foreign-going ship. Official log present. (For an image of the first page of an "E" coded crew list see Code E2 below.)


E2 — Eng 1. Agreement and account of crew of a foreign-going ship. No official log present.
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http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/code_e.php





http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20...ergate-06.html

A cargo ship. Per 1 (data), 2 (Turnbull Scott history lower on page), 3 ('convoyweb.org', WW2 convoy duty, Baxtergate, am unable to check the link), 4 (1951 collision with Steel Flyer), 5 (image, Anglo Indian, also -01, -02), 6 (image, Baxtergate, I think, also -03), 7 (Miramar, link, you now must be registered to access). 426 ft. (about 135 metres) long, speed of 11 knots. Built for 'Nitrate Producers' Steamship Co., Ltd.', (Anglo Line), Lawther, Latta & Co. Ltd. of London, the managers. Visited Auckland, New Zealand, a couple of times. In 1937, sold to Turnbull Scott & Co., of London, for £50,000, & renamed Baxtergate. 'She was kept on the Pacific phosphate and nitrate trading of her previous owner.' 111 WW2 convoy references, including at least 9 voyages across the N. Atlantic, service in the Mediterranean, to W. Africa (Freetown, Takoradi) & to South Africa & lots of local U.K. voyages. Many independent voyages also. With varied cargoes such as wheat, phosphates, lumber & steel. In 1947, sold to 'Panamanian Tramp Shipping Co.', (Stathatos & Co., of London, the managers), & renamed Artygia. In 1948, sold to 'Compania de Navegacion Cebaco, S.A.', of Panama, with C. Michalos & Co. the managers, & renamed Domina. On Mar. 28, 1951, while en route to Baltimore with a cargo of iron ore, vessel collided with Steel Flyer in Chesapeake Bay. Vessels were on crossing courses. Steel Flyer was guilty of gross negligence but Domina was negligent also. Did not spot the extent to which either ship was damaged. There may be later WWW court data that I have not read. In 1955, was sold or transferred to Michalos Bros, of Piraeus, Greece, & renamed Lily Michalos. On Aug. 21, 1959, arrived at Hong Kong to be broken up. Miramar refers to the vessel being 'corrugated'.