Timewatch TV Programme.

[Jim Brady]

I came across this TV programme tonight purely by accident.BBC2 7.40 pm,well worth a watch on iplayer.Quote,It uncovers the truth behind the myths that have emerged since the vessel sank.Some good stuff.
Regards.
Jim.B.

[Bob Hollis]

Hi JIm, there was one just before that, same channel, which was total crap. I was going to switch off when herself said, let's look at the start of it, I'm glad we did. It was an excellent programme.

[Peter Trodden]

Two more programs on tonight (8thApril) if you have Sky. Discovery Ch,1900hrs What happened to the bodys that were landed ,and later on the History Ch, a program by James Cameron, Peter T.

[robpage]

I think because it is a 2002 programme it is not on I-Player , I have managed to get hold of a recording of it , if anyone cannot get it E-mail me and I will try and send a copy , it was as Jim says vary good and informative

[Tony Wilding]

have heard conflicting reports regarding the quality of the rivets used, saw one program some time ago when a rivet was analysed, they said it was ok, did she have an iron or steel hull, ? other articles say the rivets were steel, is that good or bad if the hull was iron. if she was iron , should the rivets be iron also, ?

[robpage]

I have watched about 6 Titanic programmes this week , The Rivits were , in the main part of the hull , machine finished with hydraulic riviting tools . there were some in the first section where the narrows started to the bow where the machine could not get in to close the rivit so these were hand closed .The hydraulic machine needs around six feet width to work in . Another film maker with a theory made a fortune and H&W got some blame . The hand closed Rivits are therefore a different material . It is this material that was said to have caused the seam to open like a zipper , by having less strength in tension than the main rivits , but the length of the gash makes it that only a small proportion were these " softer " rivits . You can carry out all the metalurgical tests in the world but that metal has been under pressurised conditions in a highly corrosive medium . I would not personally take a great deal of notice on that one . Ships had been going around with hand done rivits for years , I was listening to a programme tonight that stated the side swipe force was 1.000.000 foot tonnes and that would have peeled the skin of a World War Two armour plated Battleship . It is possibly a minor contributory factor . But to answer the Question , teher were two different materials

If the Iceberg had been hit head on chances are it would not have sunk the ship , but the big problem was the watertight compartments not being full height to the main deck . The weather made it difficult to see anything , clear night sparkling sky , one theory is a mirage effect causing lots of confusion to the lookouts .

I first got interested in the Titanic when I transferred to Union Castle in Southampton forty years ago and walked past the Engineroom Memorial , Above Bar . If White Star had just had the royalties from all that has been written or filmed , they would have been able to afford more lifeboats , The number was allowed to be reduced by the BoT because of the so called watertight compartments . Most things I have read and seen always seems to follow that old principle of WHO can we blame , Harlands , Board of Trade , Capt Smith . Charles Lightowler , Bruce Ismay , the Sparky . I have read and seen quite a bit , If I stood on the Bridge before the Impact with Hindsight , I would have gone for a full frontal collision , but as an engineer , with the same foresight , I would have gone astern fifteen minutes earlier , Or the sparky would have not told the Carpathia sparky to get out of his ears . Charles lightowler would have filled the boats , and Hollywood , and the press Barons would have missed out on a hundred years of Legacy . the Board of Trade , may have learned something without the usual loss of life that seems to herald a change in regulations .

And a Hundred years later we might not still be playing ;- I have the Biggest , widest , fastest game with ships , the watertight doors now have local controls so the engineroom guys stand a better chance of escape , teh press still seek a name to blame , Hollywood makes films , and when a ship gets too close to shore and turns over the Blame game starts again

[happy daze john in oz]

Remember reading one of the story boards at the exhibition and it gvae full details of the Iron rivets usedcin the bow section. The main problem was the use of Iron rivets on steel in very cold waters. The quailty of the rivets was so poor that the cold water virtualy changed the structure of them. According to the script these ones were of an unususly poor quality as iron rivets had been used before but the slag level in these was sufficient to alter their structure in very cold water. The script went on to say how the bow section had split open as a rseult and that it would not have taken a great hit to do it under the circumstances.

[john sutton]

I,m not sure that an iceberg sank the Titanic.Judging by the number of people surfacing who claim to have had family aboard I think she sank through serious overloading
john sutton

[john sutton]

saw on tv last night articles being auctioned that came from the titanic.Can anyone tell me how a lunch menu that was in mint condition and had survived the rigors of the sinking could be genuine bearing in mind it was the maiden voyage so it could not be from previous voyages.
john sutton

[John Pruden]

after the finding of the wreck no claim was registered because access was more or less impossible but a french consortium got together and collected artifacts which i think was a great shame a bit like robbing the dead? just my view.JP