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    First please excuse any naivete and ignorance from this new member. I am looking for info on L and H ships my grandfather sailed on as a steward from 1913 to 1941 (I think). I have the official numbers from his discharge certs, but tying them up with the names is a bit hit and miss. Would anyone please know if there is a list of names of ships with corresponding numbers? I do know that he was in the River Plate at the time of the Graf Spey and also that he was torpedoed at the start of the war. I can see from a website that the Phidias was torpedoed but I don't know if that was his ship. I would be really grateful if someone could point me in the right direction.
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    Hi Dominic welcome to the site.

    To help you we need your grandfathers name, place & date of birth and Discharge No.

    The alternative would be to contact the National Archives with the info you have, a small fee will be charged initially and considerably more if they have to search further I believe.


    Merchant seamen serving up to 1913 - https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/...ng-up-to-1913/

    https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/...ng-since-1918/
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Gannon View Post
    First please excuse any naivete and ignorance from this new member. I am looking for info on L and H ships my grandfather sailed on as a steward from 1913 to 1941 (I think). I have the official numbers from his discharge certs, but tying them up with the names is a bit hit and miss. Would anyone please know if there is a list of names of ships with corresponding numbers? I do know that he was in the River Plate at the time of the Graf Spey and also that he was torpedoed at the start of the war. I can see from a website that the Phidias was torpedoed but I don't know if that was his ship. I would be really grateful if someone could point me in the right direction.
    Thanks very much,
    Dominic
    Hello Dominic.You are not being naive and nobody will judge you on this site.We welcome such enquiries and interest from those connected with the Merchant Navy.

    So,to start with,in this same thread Reply with a list of yourgrandfather's official numbers of ships he sailed in,and one of us can quickly tell you their names.
    Meanwhile here is just a pictorial site of L &H. HERE

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    Link HERE just for some ship names.

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    Graham and Marian, Thank you both for your quick reply and welcome.
    My grandfather's details were: Lawrence Nolan 24.22.1894 and, I believe, his discharge number was: 751442. (Does that sound right to you?)
    His ships were: 143601; 140665; 105333; 135504 (or135604); 137532;
    140606; 140619 (or 140816);142371; 140619; 145900; 143604. His first discharge was stamped Canning Place Oct 1913. He must have had a break of service soon after that as he joined up (8th Irish bat Kings) to fight in WW1 but he returned to the sea on its conclusion and sailed up until WW2 when he joined the Ministry of Food in Colwyn Bay. Presumably the torpedo incident must have occurred about then. My grandad lived with us until his death in 1968 but he was quite ill for the last few years of his life and if he did talk about his career I'm afraid I don't remember! Thanks for your interest. What a great site you have here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Gannon View Post
    Graham and Marian, Thank you both for your quick reply and welcome.

    Best wishes
    Dominic
    Hello Dominic.So,in the order you have given,here are my results.
    All are Lamport & Holt names unless otherwise stated,or some of the earliest at first were the predecessor company-Liverpool,Brazil and River Plate Steam.Nav.Co.Ltd.,later Lamport &Holt Line Ltd,Liverpool.
    Where I have put a ? means no number exists,at least not in the index I am using,so please try and decipher the often awkward to read documents,or place on line here so we can give a 2nd opinion of the digits !
    The years given are first year in service-until final year given,with fate-so you will be able to work out when your grandfather was on them.

    143601 ss BRUYERE. 1919-1942.Torpedoed 23/9/42
    140665 ?
    105333 ss CAVOUR. 1895-1929 Scrapped Danzig 1929
    133504 ss NEW LONDONER 1912-1936,then renamed. ss KENWOOD -1936-1960. Note-as this is not a Lamport vessel you may need to recheck the number,although your g/father might well have signed on it .The other alternative number you give,135604 is a tug,but there again he might have signed on her.
    137532 ?
    140606 ss LAPLACE 1919-1942.Torpedoed 10/42
    140619 ss NASMYTH 1919-1938 .Scrapped after stranding damage.
    142371 ?
    140619 ss NASMYTH see above
    145900 ss LINNELL 1921-1939 Scrapped in Scotland 1939 after stranding damage in Alexandria.
    143604 ss BALFE 1920-1950 .Scrapped 1950.

    As said,any with question marks the official no.is not listed so try and decipher them if you can.Hope this gives you something to work on for now.
    Cheers. Graham
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    142371 War Dame 1817 British Govt. Then Delambre 1919 Scuttled at Rio Grande 1940


    Other two i cannot find either?


    Where was Nolan Born please!
    I have 4 names like that but need place of Birth!


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    Graham & Doc, just say if I'm more of a hinderance here... and I'll gladly keep schtum.

    Ship, 137532 ?
    Name Port of registry and details Source
    MARCONI Built: 1917, Register closed: 1941 TNA catalogue, BT 110/1255/6

    [No port shown], Log books, 1917-1918 TNA catalogue, BT 165

    Liverpool, 1/1917, Steam, 4595 tons Appropriation Books, RSS

    Liverpool, 1917, Steam MNL, 1920 View entry for MARCONI in MNL 1920, page 376

    Liverpool, 1917, Steam MNL, 1930 View entry for MARCONI in MNL 1930, page 350

    Liverpool, 1917, Steam

    And

    Ship, 142371:
    Name Port of registry and details Source
    DELAMBRE Built: 1917, Register closed: 1941 TNA catalogue, BT 110/1213/8

    Liverpool, 1919, Steam MNL, 1920 View entry for DELAMBRE in MNL 1920,

    Liverpool, 1919, Steam MNL, 1930 View entry for DELAMBRE in MNL 1930,

    Liverpool, 1919, Steam MNL, 1940 View entry for DELAMBRE in MNL 1940,
    WAR DAME [No port shown], Log books, 1918 TNA catalogue, BT 165

    London, 119/1918, Steam, 4602 tons Appropriation Books, RSS


    #7,Doc, Lawrence was born 24/ ?/ 1894 presume Liverpool?
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    Thanks Marian , all help will i know be appreciated!

    Found 137532 Changed hands to Lamport and Holt in 1934 frm Liverpool Brazil and River Plate. SN co Ltd!

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    Hello Dominic.So,in the order you have given,here are my results.
    All are Lamport & Holt names unless otherwise stated,or some of the earliest at first were the predecessor company-Liverpool,Brazil and River Plate Steam.Nav.Co.Ltd.,later Lamport &Holt Line Ltd,Liverpool.
    Where I have put a ? means no number exists,at least not in the index I am using,so please try and decipher the often awkward to read documents,or place on line here so we can give a 2nd opinion of the digits !
    The years given are first year in service-until final year given,with fate-so you will be able to work out when your grandfather was on them.

    Updated List

    143601 ss BRUYERE. 1919-1942.Torpedoed 23/9/42
    140665 ?
    105333 ss CAVOUR. 1895-1929 Scrapped Danzig 1929
    133504 ? ss NEW LONDONER 1912-1936,then renamed. ss KENWOOD -1936-1960. Note-as this is not a Lamport vessel you may need to recheck the number,although your g/father might well have signed on it .The other alternative number you give,135604 is a tug,but there again he might have signed on her.
    137532 ss MARCONI 1917-1941.Torpedoed 21/5/41
    140606 ss LAPLACE 1919-1942.Torpedoed 10/42
    140619 ss NASMYTH 1919-1938 .Scrapped after stranding damage.
    142371 ss DELAMBRE 1919-1940.Scuttled S.Atlantic by HSK-4 (THOR) 7/7/40
    140619 ss NASMYTH see above
    145900 ss LINNELL 1921-1939 Scrapped in Scotland 1939 after stranding damage in Alexandria.
    143604 ss BALFE 1920-1950 .Scrapped 1950.




    Thanks Marian and Vernon. I guess I'll have to either change my glasses again,or my fat fingers (!),for perhaps inputting the official numbers incorrectly!

    Anyway,I've just updated my list again,for conciseness.
    Cheers to Both!
    Last edited by Graham Shaw; 16th July 2021 at 12:34 PM.

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