Do not believe what the Pollies tell you

[Captain Kong]

Do not believe what the Pollies tell you.



Not 2010, 2017, BUT 1828 at a blistering 53.9 °C
Back before man-made climate change was frying Australia, when CO2 was around 300ppm, the continent savoured an ideal pre-industrial climate…….. RIGHT?
This is the kind of climate we are spending $10bn per annum to get back too......* Right again?
We are told today’s climate has more records and more extremes than times gone by, but the few records we have from the early 1800’s are eye-popping. *
Things were not just hotter, but so wildly hot it burst thermometers.
The earliest temperature records we have shown that Australia was a land of shocking heatwaves and droughts, except for when it was bitterly cold or raging in flood.
In other words, nothing has changed, except possibly things might not be quite so hot now!
Silliggy (Lance Pidgeon) has been researching records from early explorers and from newspapers.*
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For all that we hear about recent record-breaking climate extremes, records that are equally extreme, and sometimes even more so, are ignored.

In January 1896 a savage blast “like a furnace” stretched across Australia from east to west and lasted for weeks. The death toll reached 437 people in the eastern states.

Newspaper reports showed that in Bourke the heat approached 120°F (48.9°C) on three days.*
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Links to documentary evidence (1)(2)(3)
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The maximum at or above 102 degrees F (38.9°C) for 24 days straight!
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Use the several links below to read the news reports at the time for yourself ……
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1.*** By Tuesday Jan 14, people were reported*falling dead*in the streets.
2.*** Unable to sleep, people in Brewarrina walked the streets at night for hours, it was still*109F at midnight.*
3.*** Overnight, the temperature did not fall below 103°F.*
4.*** On Jan 18 in Wilcannia, five deaths were recorded in one day. Hospitals were overcrowded*and reports said that “more deaths are expected hourly”.*
5.*** By January 24, in Bourke, many*businesses had shut down*(almost everything bar the hotels).*
6.** *Panic stricken*Australians were*fleeing to the hills*in climate refugee trains. *

As reported at the time, the government felt the situation was so serious that to save lives and ease the suffering of its citizens they added cheaper train services:
What I found most interesting about this was the skill, dedication and length of meteorological data taken in the 1800′s. When our climate is “the most important moral challenge” why is it there is so little interest in our longest and oldest data?
Who knew that one of the most meticulous and detailed temperature records in the world from the 1800′s comes from Adelaide, largely thanks to Sir Charles Todd.*
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The West Terrace site in Adelaide was one of the best in the world at the time, and provides accurate historic temperatures from* “Australia’s first*permanent weather bureau*at Adelaide in 1856″.*
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Rainfall records even appear to go as far back as 1839.* Lance Pidgeon went delving into the National Archives and was surprised at what he found.
The media are in overdrive, making out that “the extreme heat is the new normal” in Australia.*
The Great Australian Heatwave of January 2013 didn’t push the mercury above 50C at any weather station in Australia, yet it’s been 50C (122F) and hotter in many inland towns across Australia over the past century.
See how many are in the late 1800s and early to mid-1900s.
You can't blame those high records on man-made global warming![/B]

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[Doc Vernon]

Very interesting Thread there and something that I myself would not have known!
Gees it sure did get Hot!
But at times does look like things may be getting back to those old days?? Who knows until it actually happens
Cheers

[happy daze john in oz]

The mater of man made global warming is a ploy by the manufacturers of clean energy systems to enhance their chances of selling their systems according to one MP here.

But there are some very big questions about this which no one is prepared to answer.

Co-ordinated global weather records and reporting only came about IN 1948, Records from space by NASA only began in the 1960's yet scientists will tell us this is the hottest year on record??

Back in the time of S. Pepys the diary writer there are records shown of drought and severe heat waves in Europe such as have never been seen before.
Nothing new here I think.

[David Williams]

Unless they agree with what you think.
Dave Williams

[vic mcclymont]

Core samples from the ice around the poles show that CO2 peaked at 600pm, and we are still here.
Think about it? Why is Greenland called Greenland, when it is covered in snow and ice and is not green?
Vic

[David Williams]

Did they have thermometers back in 1828 ?.
Dave Williams

[Keith at Tregenna]

Core samples from the ice around the poles show that CO2 peaked at 600pm, and we are still here.
Think about it? Why is Greenland called Greenland, when it is covered in snow and ice and is not green?
Vic

The early Viking settlers named the island as Greenland. In the Icelandic sagas, the Norwegian-born Icelander Erik the Red was said to be exiled from Iceland for manslaughter. Along with his extended family and his thralls (i.e. slaves or serfs), he set out in ships to explore an icy land known to lie to the northwest. After finding a habitable area and settling there, he named it Grœnland (translated as "Greenland"), supposedly in the hope that the pleasant name would attract settlers.

[Captain Kong]

In the News yesterday,,
The BAS, British Antarctic Survey, ship, could not get across the Weddell Sea, the Ice was too thick and this after a six month Summer
The SEA Ice was Five metres or 16 Feet thick, she only made 5 miles in 24 hours steaming. They said they have to try again next season after the winter.
and that folks is Global Warming.

[Rodney Mills]

Copy of an article in this weeks Economist.

"Queensland is cutting down 1,000 rugby pitches worth of forest every day"

"Most deforesting takes place in a poor country. In richer places trees tend to multiply. Australia is an unhappy exception. Land clearance is rampant along its eastern coast as farmers take advantage of tax laws to make room for cattle to feed. Asia. WWF. a charity, now ranks Australia along side Borneo and the Congo Basin as one of the worlds 11 worst "fronts" for deforestation.

The worst damage occurs in the eastern state of Queensland, that has more trees left to fell than places to the south, where agriculture is more established. It has been responsible for over half Australia's land clearance since the 1970s. Its bulldozers are at present busier than they have been for a decade. They erased 395,000 hectares of forests including huge tracts of ancient vegetation between 2015 and 2016—the equivalent of 1000 rugby pitches a day. As a share of its forested area, Queensland is mowing down twice as fast as Brazil.

Australia has lost almost half its native forests since British colonialists arrived, and much of what remains is degraded. For a time it seemed that the clear-cutting might come to an end in the early 2000s several state governments passed bills to reduce deforestation. But in the past decade these have been wound back in every state. Queensland's land clearance has more than doubled since conservatives loosened the forestry law in 2003 allowing farmland to "thin" trees up to 75% without a permit. Neighboring New South Wales enacted a similar rule.

Conservationists blame powerful agricultural lobbies. These retort that controls on land clearance push up food prices and cost jobs. Family farmers lament that trees obstruct big machinery needed to keep their land productive. They know that empty fields are worth perhaps five times more than those peppered with vegetation...."

"...Yet clearing land eventually hurts farmers too because without trees soil erodes and grows saltier... The Great Barrier Reef which is already suffering from climate change is also harmed by the extra sediment washed into the ocean, which can prevent coral from photosynthesizing...."

"Permissive forestry laws seem especially odd given the billions of dollars the government spends planting trees, fighting climate change and conserving native species. In 2016 Queensland's minority labour government tried to pass a bill to strengthen controls on land clearance once again. It was defeated by a hair. But Labour, which won a state election late last year has promised to introduce legislation. This time it holds a majority.

[Richard Quartermaine]

When I was born the population of this my country was the same as London; 7.000.000. The population of Australia for 2018 is expected to become 25,000,000. This is an Island verdant on most of its shoreline but arid in a large part of it's interior. Our welcome to the reasonable flow of compatible people during the last century was very successful for us and our 'New Australians' who were prepared to make the effort. Manipulated democratic incompetence and friction appears to me to have allowed this, latterly, poorly controlled population inflow to occur. In my opinion, much adversity flows from that and sadly it appears to be unstoppable.
Richard