..rob that is what is the way certain folk would like to make it out ...i am sure no one in his right mind wants proper benefits stopped ..that is not in the debate but of course the left trend is to make it into the debate......i am on about ....the workshy ..the alkis the junkies the bums and stiffs and the great unwashed who now believe benefits are a method of going through life ......well to me that is a no go...not including the state pension. if the benefits are given to the above mentioned then that is penalising and cutting the benefits of those who do work and the sick and disabled who need it .......it doesnt matter whether its a 10000......100000 a million or billions it is wrong .....that is fact...cappy