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Originally Posted by Marian Gray
Marion, you do a great job at research and get the reply all in one, not dozens.
great stuff, keep at it.
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Originally Posted by Marian Gray
Marion, you do a great job at research and get the reply all in one, not dozens.
great stuff, keep at it.
Long way off the desired result yet, the team work is essential. We all have different fortes. The combination
usually helps much. Touch wood we will find more between us. Hopefully research post can remain just for research to save confusion.
K.
As far as we know yes, May was an only child. My wife's mother believes her grandmother (Annie) may also be an only child but we cannot determine this yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith at Tregenna
OK. Cheers. Keith.
Hello everyone again. I'm back with an minor update, I have purchased my wife's grandmothers marriage certificate - image attached.
Not a whole lot of new information about her dad (my wife's great granddad) other than to confirm his name as Joseph Knight (deceased) but with added info that he worked as a 'Dock Gateman' - whatever that is beyond stating the obvious. I'm hoping that's a little more specific to help find him (somehow).
What is of potential interest is the names of the marriage witnesses: Mary Kinsella and Annie Thomas.
I suspect Annie Thomas is Annie Knight (May's mother) but haven't been able to confirm as yet.
And we're aware of an Aunt of my wife's mother, called Kitty Kinsella who is related to Annie but not entirely sure of the link. Kitty apparently had a son called John who married a girl called Pat, and a daughter named Karen. Unfortunately we don't have any years to associated with these names.
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Not certain if this site could be useful?
Liverpool & SW Lancashire FHS - Forum
https://www.lswlfhs.org.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=16096
Okay, so I figured I'd try to recap by way of a timeline what I know of Annie Barry - Joseph Knights wife. Would love to hear people's thoughts and recommendations on where to explore next.
1926;
- May Knight is born to Joseph Knight & Annie Knight (formerly Barry). Birth certificate previously shared.
- No marriage certificate can be found for Joseph & Annie.
- They lived at 42 Warren Street, Liverpool.
1937-1939;
- We know from Maureen Tan that her granddad (Joseph Knight) died when May was a young teenager, possibly between 11-13 years old.
1939;
- There is no sign of Joseph & Annie Knight on the 1939 register.
- May would have been about 13/14 years old, and I suspect was evacuated from Liverpool in the September of 1939 prior to the war.
- It's perhaps for this reason that she's not found on the 1939 register, or because of her age the record is redacted from public viewing.
- At this moment, we are unable to find 1) a death record for Joseph Knight, or 2) a divorce record for Joseph and Annie.
- There is a record for Annie Barrie, born 1897, on the 1939 register what looks to be living alone. Can anyone make out the name of the road?
1940;
- With May being evacuated, Annie now a widow. Would Annie have reverted back to her maiden name, Barry?
- With the likelihood of living alone and needing independent financial support without her husband; Annie gets married to George Thomas.
1941;
Warren Street in Liverpool was destroyed in bombings.
1943;
- May Knight (17 years old) gets married to Jan Ming Tan (29 years old).
- Marriage witnesses are Mary Kinsella, and Annie Thomas. I've previously posted a picture of the marriage certificate. Was it a requirement to have parental permission to marry if under 18?
- Maureen Tan was born.
1944;
- George Thomas dies in WW2
- Annie Thomas reverts back to being Annie Barry?
1957;
- Annie Barry dies. This suggests being born around 1895.
- Place of death = Crosby
- Maureen Tan would have been about 14 years old. I need to ask Maureen if she can remember how old she was when her grandmother died.
- Not being 100% confident this is the same Annie Barry, do I chance purchasing the death certificate in the hope that May Knight is listed "as the name and address of informant and possibly their relationship to the deceased" given she is an only child and there is no husband/partner to Annie.
I appreciate there are flaws here without concrete evidence to support. My main focus is the Annie Thomas as witness on May Knights marriage certificate and thinking this is the same Annie Barry. Speculative I know but shouldn't a 17 year old girl have some family witness their marriage?!
Cheers Doug, hope we find the key ASAP.
Touch wood a few more finds may tie all in.
Keith.
Without wanting to interfere, as to a previous assertion that I was aware of Two familys out here with the surname Knight. Also bearing in mind kids were evacuated out here during the war years for safety and as a living proof of this I have drinks every 4th Thursday with one now in his 90s. Any youngsters disappearing just prior to the war and in the early parts may have left the country. And may be the reason why no trace can be found. JS
My only query with passenger lists is the fact that Annie would have returned to Liverpool to give birth to May Knight in 1926. Quite an expensive trip going to New York or India for that matter I would have thought back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marian Gray
Were not aware of a brother. Maureen seems to think that Annie may have been an only child but in all honesty we don’t know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marian Gray
Sorry, not sure what these records are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marian Gray
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Happy to buy Annie’s birth, marriage, death certificate but which one? :smashPC::DQuote:
Originally Posted by Marian Gray
Interesting point about Joseph perhaps not having died and that May would have been told this for convenience. That puts a spanner in the works, more so if he and Annie were not married as suggested (despite Mays birth certificate).
We believe Kinsella is a close family friend. Maureen is aware of a Kitty Kinsella but we don’t know the link as yet.