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That would be about correct JS as the Number shown corresponds with dates shown Cheers 1959-72R 710000- R 910000 16000 Issued
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Regarding K.t's comment ,31 Lascars generally were firemen on Coal Burners,in my time. Mostly crewed by what we considered Arab. and Yes ,of course they were considered or Deemed higher in the pay scale than Deck Boy As Lascar is a general term,for Indian , Arab ,Asian etc. I liked the Term used in Cardiff -Shields ,similar as being applied to Somalis uniquely .Probably ,one in ten ,originating from there. Somaliland They were different as Chalk and Cheese from the Main. Wonderfully impressive physiques .Very innocent in their ways, all round ,Great Guys. As opposed to the others,mentioned . Who knew every devious Trick in the trade. they always had a Wife Fatima in Aden.or similar.Leaving a "large"allotment,to same. My first Ship. ,joined Sharpness, went round to Barry ,to load Coal. was allocated job on the Dock , to hand up the Stores , to the awaiting ,firemen. One of the recipients being a Somali lascar. Never Forget!. Picking up the last item . As i handed it up to him, there was some hurried comment, ,Just as He grabbed it, In alarm ,with a Scream. He let it go , luckily it landed back on the wharf Mine and his first Lesson. It being a Side of Bacon ThIs Somali, Lascar ,looked ,just like the Cardiff Lascar. . As I said they all looked very similar, and had the same disposition. Unfortunately ,one of them , Was Hanged in Cardiff prison ,for the Lily Volpert Murder.Then Subsequently, proved to be innocent .Family received a monetary compensation Lot of good that Did For His Wife and Children . May the Culprit Rot..
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Hi John A. A little off thread, when I was mud pilot on the colliers on the NZ coast I always did the same thing, like; once in site of some object in Auckland or which ever port we entered that corresponded with the compass bearing, I used that, the first skipper I sailed with on the colliers told me always to adhere to it. Cheers Des
Originally Posted by kenneth goode alright mr cappy here you are discharge book number R861626,retired two years ago after 49 years at sea and not a tooth left. #####well there you are mr GOOD....thats a good time at sea ....personally nothing like that for me.couldnt live away once married ..got soaked in life and kids and to be honest in my view unless you were up top... the money wouldnt keep a family to much of a standard......so found other methods of supporting my tribe.....suppose like louis and others who were ratings they had hard times even shipmasters suffered in some cases.....but that is the way of life who knows what dice are rolled for us.....regards cappy R683532....lifeboat ticket 171435. 1960........sorry about your teeth ....still got most of mine at 79 this year.....lol cappy
Originally Posted by Evan Lewis Regarding K.t's comment ,31 Lot of good that Did For His Wife and Children . May the Culprit Rot.. .......###never found a bad somali .....as second steward dished out there vittles includind the gee for cooking ther curries in a small galley of the own...they were good shipmates out of shields ...of which there were many.....until i left shields i never new a racist feeling ......but that soon changed round the world ......there currries were outstanding and as i saw them ok for there needs of tea sugar. etc they were good currywise and i was welcome to eat there curry any time......one thing i will say is they never caused trouble .....good shipmates .....one known as hashish was a real character always joking.....they were ok guys ......i recall also a bosun who was a somali a good man name of haj i think from liverpool ....no racial probs there a man who new his job and was well respected by our mainly geordie crew....cappy
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Originally Posted by Evan Lewis ThIs Somali, Lascar ,looked ,just like the Cardiff Lascar. . As I said they all looked very similar, and had the same disposition. Unfortunately ,one of them , Was Hanged in Cardiff prison ,for the Lily Volpert Murder.Then Subsequently, proved to be innocent .Family received a monetary compensation On 6 March 1952, Lily Volpert a 42-year-old, described as working in a pawnbrokers, was found murdered in her shop in the Cardiff Docklands area. Her throat had been cut with a razor, and a hundred pounds sterling had been stolen. Within a few hours Mattan was arrested by the Cardiff City Police and nine days later he was charged with Volpert's murder. When the police raided Mattan's home they discovered a broken shaving razor and a pair of shoes with blood specks on them. There was no evidence of any blood-stained clothing or the missing money. When the Criminal Cases Review Commission was set up in the mid 1990s, Mattan's case was the first to be reviewed. On 24 February 1998 the Court of Appeal came to the judgement that the original case was, in the words of Lord Justice Rose, "demonstrably flawed". The family were awarded �725,000 compensation, to be shared equally among Matan's wife and three children. The compensation was the first award to a family for a person wrongfully hanged for a crime they had not committed. British Executions - Mahmood Hussein Mattan - 1952
Originally Posted by Keith at Tregenna British Executions - Mahmood Hussein Mattan - 1952 The evidence ,and submissions made by the Cardiff. police As shown by the Above quote.and since found to be tainted.In particular the belief ,the weapon used ,was a Razor. i' have good reason to believe the weapon used, may well have been a Green River knife. Considered ,in those days a Better Brand. Part of a Deck hands equipment ,along with a marlin spike. This is a bit morbid , i know. and it was so long ago.But after all this time,hardly anyone ,would be interested. As they say ,perpetrators get a bit cocky as time goes by. .. I just feel so frustrated ,feeling i 've known the actual person responsible. After all this time.
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Aware of the Green River knife via communications. Will try to find out more. Keith. .
Originally Posted by Evan Lewis I just feel so frustrated ,feeling i 've known the actual person responsible. After all this time. Would this description fit ? "The original description of the person they were looking for was a tall man of Somali appearance with a moustache, a gold tooth and scars on his face. None of that fitted Mahmood, who was five foot eight. Then 17 days later, Mahmood's name is given to the police and he is arrested. We believe he was wrongly named by a man who wanted to move attention away from him. It is that man who is named in the petition for an appeal." Tahir Gass: A Heinous Murder Most Foul | Fitted-In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZxdu8Ydll8 .
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