And yet Des that can go the other way , I said to one elderly mate coming out of a Wallsend Shipyard do you want to take her out to sea , oh no he says that’s your job I don’t get paid to do that. On the stand by boats nearly all the deck crew the 4 of them were only too willing to Relieve me or the mate on watch. In fact the night the P.A. Blew up if it had happened 10 minutes later I wouldn’t have been there as would have been getting a break by the coxn of the frc and am sure he would have coped. JS